*NEW* polls on CNN now

Colorado Obama 51 Mccain 47
Florida Obama 51 McCain 46 "tilting" says Bill Schneider
Georgia McCain 53 Obama 45 --Bob Barr pulls 4% when mentioned
Missouri McCain 49 Obama 48
Virginia Obama 53 McCain 43

MOE is +/- 3.5 in each

No link yet.

Missouri, wow! I hope Obama can take the lead as the Election nears, since we need Missouri to win.

on election night. I hope i'm not the only one who noticed this. It's all he/she does.

good." S/he said the same thing about TENNESSEE and Ohio, too. :eyes:

See, he/she never says anything "negative" about Obama. he/she just says stuff like "I hope we can win Missouri, since we need it to win at all," and other stupidities of these kinds. For example, when asked what "upset" states were expected, he/she listed all the swing states as Mccain upsets, then listed a bunch of NEVER states as Obama upsets (i.e., tennessee). He/she thinks it is funny and cute, and is best ignored until election day, when he/she is best laughed at.

I am still relatively new, please bear with me :9

We won't win Ohio, but we will win Florida, so they cancel each other out. Then, I think we'll snag Tennessee, Utah and Idaho. I also think McCain can upset in Minnesota, Indiana and perhaps Nevada. Those should cancel each other out if they both wins those respectively. Missouri will push us over the edge if we win, if those above states turn out how I think.

Not a "shtick" as another poster put it, I'm only expressing my thoughts, and I'm still new.

If it isn't a schtick, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever about politics.

in the wrong place.

You're saying I'm a freeper? NO!

If I was, why would I go to Obama's St. Paul speech on June 3?

I am still learning and new, but if you think I am a republican, then WOW.

Utah and Idaho are two of the reddest states left. And TN is very red, too. If you're really "learning," why don't you study this map before saying such things?: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

what else do you do with that rubber ducky

Those are like, the safest of the safe 'puke states.

In what universe.

I live in Tennessee and would sincerely hope that Tennessee went blue, but, I don't think it's gonna happen.

That said, there has been no new polling out of Tennessee since mid- to late September. There is no relevant gauge for Tennessee's EVs at this point.

Utah: McCain vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Obama (D) Spread
RCP Average 08/13 - 09/11 -- 62.7 26.3 McCain +36.4
Rasmussen 09/10 - 09/10 500 LV 64 32 McCain +32
Deseret News 09/08 - 09/11 601 RV 62 24 McCain +38
Mason-Dixon 08/13 - 08/15 400 LV 62 23 McCain +39

Tennessee: McCain vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Obama (D) Spread
RCP Average 09/15 - 09/29 -- 53.7 38.0 McCain +15.7
Rasmussen 09/29 - 09/29 500 LV 58 39 McCain +19
Middle Tn. State U. 09/15 - 09/27 635 A 48 36 McCain +12
Mason-Dixon 09/22 - 09/24 625 LV 55 39 McCain +16

We've got about as good a chance of snagging those two as McCain has of snagging NY and CA.

Utah, of course, probably hasn't moved much, but Tennessee is fairly more aligned with Virginia and North Carolina than Alabama or Mississippi.

There is a chance that the polling out of Tennessee is much closer than that 9/15 polling would indicate.

Have you even tried looking at an electoral map?

If you had, you would realize how silly your statements are. "We won't win Ohio but we'll win Florida." Apparently you don't realize that if we win Florida that it doesn't matter WHAT happens in OH or all those other states you list, including Missouri of all places.

Obama is carrying all Kerry states. That means all he needs is Florida OR Ohio. ONE. And he doesn't even need that. He can carry NM and CO and OH and FL can go to blue blazes.

You might want to find a RW site to post your concerns on because it's MCPAIN that needs ALL the battleground states. Not us.

Assuming there's something to check. :*

:rofl: Obama and Franken have made sizable gains here.

Clownish stupidities at best.

Thoroughly non-serious.

A lot of your assumptions are dead wrong.

McCain is expected to win Indiana, it would not be an upset.

McCain is far likelier to win Nevada than he is Minnesota. Obama is, on average, up 5 points in Minnesota, and Minnesota has not gone red for many elections (in fact they were the only state in 1984 to give their EV's to Mondale).

Either one of Florida or Ohio is a likely instant win for Obama, given that he will almost certainly win all of the states Kerry won in 2004 (NH being the likeliest exception, but only 4 EV's) plus Iowa and New Mexico. In that scenario, adding FL is a win. Adding OH is a win. Adding VA is a win. Adding CO (almost a sure thing) is a win.

Obama has no fucking chance in Tennessee, Utah, or Idaho. Seriously, did you just try to claim he'd win in the 3 states where he polls the absolute worst?

I'm sorry, but if you want to be taken seriously in these matters, you need to do a bit to educate yourself.

:crazy:

the electoral map, historically and currently.
Try playing around with one of the maps that allow the user to adjust the state "wins" and then tally the result for you.

There are usually several available, I would dig up a link for you but I have to leave for work soon.

Good luck in your learning, we all begin our search for truth and understanding within the political paradigm somewhere.

You will find the system has peculiarities, but is very easy to understand once you have studied it for a while.

We need Kerry's states, IA, NM, and CO. Any others are icing. It would be really nice to see FL, VA and NC blue when the polls close on the east coast though, so we can call it early.

Missouri is needed, but only to CRUSH THEM.

Can you explain how we NEED MO?

I am still relatively new, please bear with me :9

We won't win Ohio, but we will win Florida, so they cancel each other out. Then, I think we'll snag Tennessee, Utah and Idaho. I also think McCain can upset in Minnesota, Indiana and perhaps Nevada. Those should cancel each other out if they both wins those respectively. Missouri will push us over the edge if we win, if those above states turn out how I think.

Not a "shtick" as another poster put it, I'm only expressing my thoughts, and I'm still new.

How in the world did you come to this conclusion?

I disagree 100%. Did you look at the numbers and maps given here that contradict this?

I am happy people have responded. I realize Utah/Tenn/Idaho are historically republicans, but I really believe that Obama can pull the upsets there. The reason we won't win Ohio is because it NEVER works for us there and they will steal the majority of the votes.

:)

Have you LOOKED at the polls?

at the polls, and I was shocked with how much Obama was down - 60 - 30% in Idaho/Utah.

If McCain holds on to win Idaho/Utah perhaps by 1-2%, then that almost makes us a shoe in to snag two other close states - Georgia and West Virginia. So then, GA and WV will cancel out Idaho/Utah.

NEED to win them. We don't even need Ohio. Nor do we need Missouri. I'll try again. Look at this map: http://www.electoral-vote.com/ You can subtract Ohio, Missouri, and others. We STILL win.

this is too goofy to be serious.

Wasn't my intention. And I don't know what you mean by "Colbert's minions are infiltrating", but if it means what I think it means, I'm not a republican.

not by a longshot. :rofl:

it's the Utah/Idaho thing that you are pushing. nobody needs to be an expert or know what states are what color, but if you are going to make guesses like that, people are going to think you are pulling their leg (lots of people come here and do just that!).

word to the wise. :)

How do we cancel them out when mccain wins them. :dunce: Oh my its all so concerning. :silly: Just make sure you keep posting so you get to 1000 posts by nov4 :freak:. The suspense is killing me, i cant wait to see what you post then. :nuke:

:D

verbatim. :banghead:

I hear the dozen or so McCain supporters up there are really going gangbusters!

mccain NEEDS MO to win. We're up 10 in VA?!! That's beautiful.

Is that a sign they need a job or that this is their job?

i forget how the rest of that goes. :eyes:

We get VA, then McCain has to win EVERY other "swing state" to win. My electoral math says we can win without FL, MO, GA.

:nuke:

...and think, "Damn! What's up with Missouri?"

:)

When Scheider said FLorida is "tilting," did he mean for Obama, I hope? And wow at Virginia. GO VIRGINIA!

I'm greedy. I want ALL the states.

granted Clinton took Ga in '92 but the Perot effect may have had a lot to do with that.

:hi:

are heavy democratic areas - it's all the rural parts in between that's the problem. However, we did vote for the "dead guy" in place of Ashcroft so there is hope.

the other "toss ups" won't matter

Is in panic mode right about now...

Karl Rove is probably freaking out and everyone else in McCain's camp is just gapping at the polls with their mouths wide open in silent shock.

All these polls don't factor in the votes he pulls from mcsame. Since it is significant, they should include Barr in the polling.

Ben Stein made sure he mentioned Nader on Larry King last night. No one mentions Barr

the vanishing minority of ignorant racists left in this state.

Their last Missouri poll was Obama+1. Otherwise mostly the same as last time. Lead in VA is 1 point different, no difference in CO, McCain lost 1 point in FL.

than Missouri!

Why Zogby and CNN?

:)