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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:07 PM
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***** CHUCK TODD IS A GIANT NEO-CON ARTIST TOOL - OFFICIAL THREAD *****
SIgn if you agree. Someone needs to shut the mouthpiece up. Who in the hell decided it was a good idea to give the "numbers guy" a hosting position?
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:08 PM
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1. He's a tool. and after listening to his spin, I don't trust his numbers.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:09 PM
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2. Sigh. What did he do/say this time? Thanks. nt
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:11 PM
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4. "Obama's too cool. Jesse Jackson comments. Obama's inexperienced. I have your talking points"
The usually Todd.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:09 PM
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3. Respectfully disagree.
Mr. Todd is a moderate democrat, who in his personal life supports the Barack Obama campaign.
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melbel8301 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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7. Seriously doubt that
His interview with Linda Douglas was disgraceful. He brought up every irrelevant GOP smear he could think of, even Farakkan. Yuck!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:17 PM
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20. It is not
dependent on if you believe it or doubt it. Your view is based solely on your interpretation of how he does his job. His job duties are, in fact, distinct from his personal life outside the studio.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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9. That surprises me. He seems more like a moderate Republican
who supports John McCain's campaign. He was practically crying last night about the latest polls.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM
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29. In September,
I had posted a thread about the extreme pressures being placed on the MSNBC staff by NBC. A few MSNBC journalists refuse to change their reporting; their shows are on between 7 and 10 pm est. Others have reacted differently. But, to be far, Chuck Todd's job duties are very different from the hosts of those three shows.

The characteristics of moderate democrats and moderate republicans who either live in or off Washington, DC are similar in many ways.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:52 PM
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51. And you know he didn't have an inflamed bunion, why? /nt
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:28 PM
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35. I'm with ya, but get ready to be flamed.
He also approaches his job as a pretty darned objective statistician, so of COURSE he looks at data from all perspectives, including some that might make our side grumpy.

Besides, anybody who saw his barely concealed glee over Obama during the primaries HAS to know that he's not a rightwing tool. It was a pleasure watching his genuine excitement, and I suspect election night will be just as fun whenever he pops up on MSBNC.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:31 PM
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38. I have no concerns
in regard to if some feel the need to "flame" me or my response. It's part of the fun of participating on DU. (grin)
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:56 PM
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44. "Todd is a moderate democrat"
Really?

Well he doesn't sound like one.

He sounds like he just came from a daily talking points breakfast with

Karl Rove.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion that

"Todd is a moderate democrat"





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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:12 PM
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46. Yes, I certainly do.
I can easily back up anything I say. However, when someone says something as silly as "He sounds like he just came from a daily talking points breakfast with Karl Rove," I feel no need to.

Thanks for the giggle.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:30 PM
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47. silly ... no you made the assertion that "Todd is a moderate democrat"

I disagree based on his performance

"I can easily back up anything I say" Go ahead then

Tell it to Media Matters


Since joining NBC, Chuck Todd has had only good things to say about GOP

Since Chuck Todd assumed duty as NBC News political director on March 12, he has made numerous appearances on the network in which he spoke positively about Republicans, making broad, unsupported, and, in some cases, rebuttable assertions, while making negative, equally unsupported comments about Democrats.

For example:

* On March 12, Todd asserted that former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) is "one of these people that can probably keep the entire conservative coalition together, the social conservatives, the economic conservatives, and the religious conservatives." Approximately two weeks after that comment, prominent social conservative James C. Dobson, Focus on the Family founder and chairman, said of Thompson, "I don't think he's a Christian; at least that's my impression," and added that "such an impression would make it difficult for Thompson to connect with the Republican Party's conservative Christian base and win the GOP nomination."

* On March 28, Todd asserted that "t would be easy for" Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) "to criticize the war. The maverick thing to do is to actually take the unpopular stand." In saying this, Todd suggested that McCain's position on the war is one of a "maverick," despite the fact that other leading contenders for the Republican nomination also support President Bush's Iraq policy. As NBC News chief Washington correspondent Norah O'Donnell noted during the same segment, "McCain's chief rivals for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani, also oppose a timeline for withdrawal and support a surge of U.S. troop strength." In addition, McCain voted with the vast majority of Senate Republicans to remove a redeployment goal from the Senate's Iraq funding bill, as Media Matters noted. And, contrary to Todd's suggestion that McCain has taken the politically unpopular approach of not criticizing the war, McCain has described himself as the "greatest critic of the way the war was being conducted."


more http://mediamatters.org/items/200703300009
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:35 PM
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48. Chuck Todd's job
is distinct from his personal life. Perhaps that escapes you. But hety, please keep sending the links. More, keep those wonderful "breakfast with Karl Rove" lines coming. Did you think of that one all on your very own? You have a real future ahead of you.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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5. I've been following Chuck long before he was on MSNBC's payroll and I simply do not agree.
He might not be a great host, but what did he do to make himself seem like a right-wing shill?
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:13 PM
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11. Shilling for the McCain campaign saying:
"Jesse Jackson said this about Obama, Obama's too cool and doesn't show enough emotions, I have your leaked talking points, nub, and Obama doesn't have experience."
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Sewsojm Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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6. Agreed, he's a Neo-Con
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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8. He makes me miss Russert. n/t
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:13 PM
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10. I don't believe that.
Hell, earlier today he said that McCain's CEILING was 274. On his trusty map, he basically said that McCain would have to win every single "battleground" state to win the presidency. Needless to say, he also said that if Obama won just one of those states (Nevada not included, I think that's the one), it would put him over the 270 mark.

From everything I've seen, he's far from a Neo-Con. As some have said, it's probably in his best interest to have a "close" race considering what he does, but when I hear him speak, he's usually fair, to very fair for Obama.

It seems like the main thing that people get concerned with is his comment about no one thinking it's really a 10% difference, and I can see where he's coming from. I don't think he's saying that because he's secretly some McCain lover. Besides, don't the "Neo-Cons" hate McCain, anyway?
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:14 PM
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14. You didn't just see him on MSNBC then.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:13 PM
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12. Rec'd and may I add to your offcial chuckie todd neo-con artist
thread..his email addy?

chuck.todd@nbcuni.com And this thread from yesterday?

book_worm (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 07:04 PM
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"Chuck Todd: "Nobody believes Obama is ahead by double-digits"
That the CBS poll has a history of "over sampling dems"


Really? Chuckie it's not just CBS but ABC has Obama up by ten. Gallup has had him between 9-12 points. The Research 2000 tracking poll has Obama up by 12. The GW University Tracking poll has Obama up by double-digits.

I guess Chuck wasn't happy about the results

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7452163



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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:15 PM
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16. Thank you.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:16 PM
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18. Would you bet your life that Obama wins by 10%?
I think he will win, but I CERTAINLY wouldn't put money on him winning more than 10%, for a variety of reasons. That is a pretty incredible amount to win by. I think that's all that Todd was saying. I think even in a best case scenario, Obama wins by maybe 5-8 points. I would be incredibly surprised if he was to win by double digits.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:21 PM
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31. Please don't try and change the fucking subject with
asking me if I bet my life. Fuck that.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:25 PM
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34. That is the subject.
If you don't believe it, why would he? Most objective observers WOULD say that it would be improbable for Obama to win by double digits. It's not impossible, but most people would not say that is likely. So, why would Todd get skewered when he says that most people don't believe he's up by 10%? I think Obama is up, and he's up by a sizable margin, but I would still be surprised if he actually won by double digits, since that is not an easy thing to do, regardless of the political climate.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:14 PM
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13. eh, whatever his personal preferences are
he has been kind of pushing certain GOP things lately...like the "women are FLOCKING to Sarah Palin!", that was debunked about two days later. I think that he needed to make up for his incident with Peggy and Mika, to maintain an in with the McCain campaign.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:14 PM
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15. There was a great interview with actor James Cromwell on Morning Joe yesterday.
Cromwell is playing Papa Bush in W. Todd was an incredible tool when questioning Cromwell and of course tried to smear Stone in the process.

Todd is a POS and I question how he got his job.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:17 PM
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22. He was almost crying yesterday to David Gregory when the NY times poll came out
Many of us caught that at the same time, he could hardly speak.


Chuck Toddy is not having a good week.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:19 PM
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25. piteous
:nopity:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:15 PM
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17. apparently you've never heard of a devil's advocate
or what the role of a journalist is.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM
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26. dup
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM by ailsagirl
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:21 PM
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30. Blaming McCain's negatives on black people is not playing Devil's Advocate. Looking like your gonna
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:23 PM by Whalestoe
cry when a poll comes out is not playing DA. Saying, "Nobody believes Obama is up double digits" is not being a DA. It's being a tool of the media.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:36 PM
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39. i doubt the obama people themselves
believe he's really up by 14 points.
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:37 PM
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40. Doesn't change the fact that Todd is a tool.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:37 PM by Whalestoe
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM
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27. Exactly-- they have to play DA-- doesn't mean they're shills...
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:21 PM by ailsagirl
Not all of them, anyway. :eyes:

Pat Buchanan = shill
David Gregory = shill

I do not consider Matthews to be a shill AT ALL
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:16 PM
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19. Agreed. He's auditioning for press secretary should McCain steal the election. nt
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:17 PM
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21. He's a corporate stooge.
Chuck "Toad" fits him perfectly.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:18 PM
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23. He's got the Todd Palin chick magnet goatee
But even hotter in red on a double chin.
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:18 PM
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24. I used to like him when he was editor of "The Hotline" and would appear on C-Span.
He was an old-school journalist then. If he had an opinion, he did not share it.

Now, I get tired of him down-playing pro-Obama poll numbers. The spread is either too broad, or mccain's negatives are solely due to black voters.

If he truly is a democrat (and I don't doubt that he is), he is WAY overcompensating, IMO.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:25 PM
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33. yeah, I agree.
I don't really think he's a shill in the Republican sense, but I think that the NBC people want him to make clear to the people that a "horserace" is still on, to get ratings. Or, like I said, he's overcompensating for the open mike thing with Peggy and Mike.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM
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28. He's a right wing hack who is constantly trying to spin for McKlan
Just like Scarborough, Buchanaan, David Gregory, Lou Dobbs, Andrea Mitchell and Tom Brokaw
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:22 PM
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32. every poll that show obama is ahead.. he just cant believe.
so he'll just cut the lead down to within the moe, and say this is the correct number because im a psychic you see.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:28 PM
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36. MSNBC makes some strange choices,
every person who is good at the particular job they do, who the audience seems to like, gets pushed in a role they are not prepared for. David Gregory is a good reporter - he looks like a clown as a host. Chuck Todd was a brilliant number cruncher during the primaries, he is awkward and shows some odd opinios as a host.

The guy makes good pizza, people like to talk to him and watch him work - lets make him the restaurant hostess. Its just odd.
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Bob D Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:30 PM
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37. Chuck Todd is fine.
Why is it we pile on people unless they only say "Obama is great!" all the time?

During the height of the RNC/Palin bounce, Todd was on Countdown with KO explaining that the electoral map still favored Obama, and the election was his to lose.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:38 PM
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41. Chucky T is a card carrying member of Joey the Scar's Fascist Morning Playhouse.
:evilgrin:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:38 PM
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42. based on what???????????
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:45 PM
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43. i think....
msnbc runs out of 'hosts' at times--they give too many people 'auditions' who will never make the show, if ya get my meaning....

to somewhat go off thread---would you rather have chuck todd or mika brezwhatever-? she, in my opinion, is dreadful!!1!!1
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:59 PM
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45. Since joining NBC, Chuck Todd has had only good things to say about GOP



Since joining NBC, Chuck Todd has had only good things to say about GOP

Since Chuck Todd assumed duty as NBC News political director on March 12, he has made numerous appearances on the network in which he spoke positively about Republicans, making broad, unsupported, and, in some cases, rebuttable assertions, while making negative, equally unsupported comments about Democrats.

For example:

* On March 12, Todd asserted that former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) is "one of these people that can probably keep the entire conservative coalition together, the social conservatives, the economic conservatives, and the religious conservatives." Approximately two weeks after that comment, prominent social conservative James C. Dobson, Focus on the Family founder and chairman, said of Thompson, "I don't think he's a Christian; at least that's my impression," and added that "such an impression would make it difficult for Thompson to connect with the Republican Party's conservative Christian base and win the GOP nomination."

* On March 28, Todd asserted that "t would be easy for" Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) "to criticize the war. The maverick thing to do is to actually take the unpopular stand." In saying this, Todd suggested that McCain's position on the war is one of a "maverick," despite the fact that other leading contenders for the Republican nomination also support President Bush's Iraq policy. As NBC News chief Washington correspondent Norah O'Donnell noted during the same segment, "McCain's chief rivals for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani, also oppose a timeline for withdrawal and support a surge of U.S. troop strength." In addition, McCain voted with the vast majority of Senate Republicans to remove a redeployment goal from the Senate's Iraq funding bill, as Media Matters noted. And, contrary to Todd's suggestion that McCain has taken the politically unpopular approach of not criticizing the war, McCain has described himself as the "greatest critic of the way the war was being conducted."


more http://mediamatters.org/items/200703300009
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:36 PM
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49. tool n/t
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:51 PM
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50. Heh.
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52. K & R!
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