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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:28 PM
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Debate Prediction: Schieffer Raises Ayers
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/debate-prediction-schieffer-raises-ayers/

Emptywheel over at Firedoglake nails it.

Gets McCain out the hole he's been digging.

I'd put big money on this one. Schieffer is an uber tool.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:29 PM
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1. If he doesn't, Obama will.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:30 PM
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4. Why? Why not let McCain do it, and then
make a devastating response?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:31 PM
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6. I am not so sure McLame will. But if he doesn't, Obama should call his ass out.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 04:32 PM by MNDemNY
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:29 PM
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2. I don't doubt it but I also don't think it would get McCain out of a hole
because Obama will be ready for it.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:32 PM
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7. It gets him out of the box about whether he's "man" enough to raise it. nt
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:29 PM
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3. This is supposed to be a debate about the economy
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 04:30 PM by high density
Ayers has nothing to do with the economy and I do not expect Schieffer to raise that 'issue.'
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:31 PM
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5. Tweety just said it was a possible that Schieffer will bring it up.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:32 PM
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8. Yup ... he's the same guy who jumped all over Wesley Clark ...
for DARING to say he didn't think being a POW was
a qualification for Cadaverick to be president.

Doesn't matter whether BombBomb or Schieffer
brings it up -- it gives Barack a chance to
confront these lies and to look strong, to put
McLame in his place. Frankly, I'm almost looking
forward to BombBomb's reaction when Obama punches
back ... It's about time that someone hands that
old bag of ass his ... ass!
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:33 PM
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10. Yep,look for Schieffer
to make Brokaw seem like Chomsky.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:32 PM
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9. I hope Schieffer brings it up so Obama can school the both of them
Schieffer is SUPPOSED to be a journalist. This would be a perfect time for Obama to expose him as some tired old fuck who should have retired 10 years ago.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:34 PM
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11. Schieffer Brains will bring it up, if Grumpy doesn't.
Hell, he may lead off with it, and see what happens.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:37 PM
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12. Bob Schieffer is a smart man.
He has carefully developed a reputation as something of an intelligent, yet kindly uncle figure. But that is simply a role he plays most of the time on tv. He is actually, as most DUers know, a tool of the republican right wing.

I think that there is a 50% chance that he will raise the topic; and a 25% chance that either Obama or McCain will.

But there is a 100% chance that Obama will put an end to the topic.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:40 PM
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13. I hate to say it but I think Schieffer's almost obligated to bring it up.
There's been so much talk about Ayers and both candidates have stated that they want to talk about it in this debate so its a question that really should be asked. Once it is, Obama can neutralize it as a talking point for mcRacist and we can all hopefully move on.

That's not saying that Schieffer isn't an uber tool - just not for this particular reason.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:50 PM
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15. Well, there's been a lot of talk about a lot of stuff
AIP, melanoma, Keating 5, etc...

Is Schieffer almost obligated to bring that stuff up too? We all know he won't. But he would bring up Ayers. That's why he's a tool.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:55 PM
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17. Again, I don't disagree that he's a tool.
But Ayers is the only subject of those brought up that both opponents want to discuss. I do wish he'd bring up the Keating Five AND AIP but we both know he won't. Now THAT makes him a tool. :)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:55 PM
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16. the Swampy Gator sez: "GOP frame, MSM follow." (nt)
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:42 PM
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14. REGARDLESS of who brings it up, Obama will be able to simply say McCain is trying to distract.
It really doesn't matter who raises the issue, it is the response that will be effective.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:58 PM
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19. It looks worse for McCain if he brings it up himself, IMO. nt
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:57 PM
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18. Well, Obama will be ready for it.
He's had some of the best debate trainers out there, and even if they didn't bring it up to him during prep I doubt he wouldn't as well.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:59 PM
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20. He won't if he wants to look even halfway intelligent. nt
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:59 PM
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21. In a debate on the economy?
I doubt it.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:00 PM
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22. Reagan and Annenberg didn't have a problem with Ayres. nt
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:33 PM
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24. McLiar didn't encourage all his Republican colleagues to return the campaign
donations they'd received from the Annenbergs who had supported Ayers for so long.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:00 PM
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23. Reagan and Annenberg didn't have a problem with Ayres. nt
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:38 PM
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25. If McLiar has forgiven G. Gordon Liddy already, enough to accept
a fundraiser from him and appear on his radio show, calling him a good friend,
so then
should Republicans who get donations from the Annenbergs just accept their support because the Annenbergs have forgiven Ayers and worked with him for years?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:43 PM
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26. Except for the whole Wes Clark thing, I don't really think Schieffer's all that bad.
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Stagecoach Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:46 PM
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27. I kind of hope Schieffer brings it up
Just to see McCain will say anything to Obama's face about it, or if he'll beat around the bush about it. It's easy for McCain to bring this stuff up in stump speeches and TV ads....quite another to say it to a person's voice.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:48 PM
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28. George from ABC's World News
just said that he thinks the moderator will raise it...I'm sure he will.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:49 PM
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29. So the former lobbyist for Sadaam Hussein on the McLiar staff
has moved along from his years working to further Sadaam's interests and is no longer on the payroll of hostile foreign governments so we should forgive him ?

So some work your campaign staffer was doing to help Sadaam years ago is no longer relevant?

Well, Senator Obama's work on an education reform project with some Republicans, funded by prominent Republicans, involved a guy who was a radical when Obama was eight years old. If the Annenberg family worked with Ayers for years and years, I'd think it would be fine to associate with him too.

And the former lobbyist for the government of Georgia, is he still on your campaign staff?
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