"Nobody is pro-abortion" thank you Senator Obama. Since

Poppy was running in the 90's I have said this. I have believed this. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control. I am personally against abortion. I am for a woman's right to choose. I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion" as the rightwingers like to say. I think our society is way too complex to vote single issue. I also think it is hypocritical that those who consider themselves "pro-life" are usually for the death penalty and pro-war, etc. Not to get into a debate here on this issue because I respect each person's right to their own beliefs and opinions. I was glad to hear Obama say this tonight. Also, I was glad to hear him clarify that he is against "partial birth abortions" and he is for policies that reduce the overall number of abortions.

and Abortion is still around.

to whip up the base. If they were to make it illegal, they would have to find some other issue to excite the fundies and get them to the polls. I am acquainted with some "pro-life", single issue voters. I'm not sure that they would bother to vote at all if it wasn't for the issue of abortion.

see it saw your post explaining it..thank you, texpatriot!

He was actually a rabid right winger, but not religious at all.

He felt more abortions was GOOD becuase it meant fewer people on welfare, and therefore lower taxes for him

He also said that if he ever got a girl pregnant that he would "make" her get an abortion because he did not have time to be a father right now.

I could never have had an abortion, back in the day.

However, I would never stand in the way of a woman who needed one.

Now, as to this partial birth-abortion issue: This is a MEDICAL issue, not a political one. Saying that no-one should have one is wrong.

There are times, non-frivolous times, when they are necessary. There are times when it is discovered that the fetus is horribly malformed, when giving birth to it will kill it.

I have personally known two women who had undergone those procedures, and both times it was under the most horrific circumstances imaginable. Both of those babies had been intensely wanted. Saying that no-one should have one is like saying no-one should have bypass surgery. It is a medical issue.

Making it into a political issue is just plain wrong.

...of the pro-life liars who try to pain pro-choicers as immoral and evil people.

They can't be truthful about this issue, but they're supposedly the angels on this issue? :eyes:

I was so glad to hear Obama explain the "infanticide bill" in the Illinois Senate. Laws all ready
exist to help any baby that is "born alive" no matter what the circumstances. Laws are all ready
on the books. That law that was introduced was nothing but hot air--that would be used to overturn
Roe v Wade.

There was no reason for that law to pass. Laws protecting infants born alive--all ready exist. You
can't just ignore an infant born alive. It would never happen.

But don't tell the liar pro-lifers that. They're too busy lying and scaring people.

A woman in my neighborhood has an Obama/Biden sign in her front yard with "BABY KILLERS!" scrawled
in big, red letters. This is the type of craziness that these people incite.

Anyone who thinks that Obama wants to kill infants, has lost their mind.

The bill was bogus. Laws all ready exist that protect infants from being neglected or harmed at birth.

Man, the stupidity that flows from the pro-life crowd seems to be limitless.

I was hoping Obama would call him on it. I am an Ob/Gyn, and I know almost no one who is "pro-abortion." Obama is right-- we need to prevent unwanted pregnancies from ever happening through education and contraception.

He and my stepmom did a good job of helping all of us to understand the mechanics of pregnancy and how contraceptives worked. My step sister, step brother and myself all waited until we were over the age of 18 to engage in that activity because we understood the level of maturity it would take to be responsible about it. My sister, raised by my evangelical mother, by comparison has had two unwanted pregnancies (gave one up and kept the other). Sex ed makes a HUGE difference in the end!

"rolemodel"

I am not pro abortion. I am pro choice.

IMO, the very worst thing that happens to many unwanted children is spending 18 years in foster care, and then "ageing out" angry, often violent, and NEVER having been loved. Many of these childten could have been saved from lifetimes of pain by better adoption policies, such as having adoption agencies search out and contact the mther's entire extended family as a FIRST resort for possible placement, rather than as a last resort.

Did you see the Denzel Washington-directed film, Antwone Fisher? It was based on a true story about a bitter young Navy recruit who found dozens of extended family members on his own, after ageing out of foster care and enlisting because he had noplace else in the world to go.

His view is exactly the same as mine. And the way he said it really made sense.

I think that dose of common sense is going to appeal to a lot of people who were on the fence.

it is quite uncommon eh?

How can someone be selectively Pro-Life? If you're against abortion but for the death penalty and war, your argument is weakened. Most people in this country are Pro-Choice; most wouldn't expect a woman that was raped or the victim of incest to carry to term but we have Sen. McCain miraculously becoming a lifelong opponent to abortion. I guess we have to forget the interview he gave about having to 'talk it over with his family' if his daughter were to ever become pregnant following a rape.

the GOP can be about "moral" issues when it hits their own home.

Welcome to DU.

are true hypocrites...and, once the baby is out of the womb they no longer give one moment's thought to its health, feeding, clothing, shelter, education or any other aspect of the child having a decent life.

It is most often a last resort for individuals who cannot afford children or who cannot survive childbirth.

claim that careless party girls use abortion as their birth control method. I think it's so they can cop out of just what they are really asking of other people. They don't want to face that it's usually a scared teen or someone who can't afford children or already has several, so they make up this frivolous female who gets an abortion because she wants to look good in a bikini next summer. Makes them feel better about a prohibition for all.

are not needed.

McCain is against birth control, sex education and he is against abortion. He pretends like adoption is the answer and we have some of the highest rates of kids that never get adopted.

I can be anti-abortion without having to force it on anyone else. I understand that there are issues in our society that are complex and personal, with no clear right or wrong. These are best left for individuals to decide on their own. I'm against adultery, lying, woman-demeaning porn, etc. etc., but I never, ever feel I have the right to force these beliefs on anyone else by making them against the law. This is a FREE country, isn't it? Yes, I know, I know, the RW will say this is a life and death matter, more serious than adultery and such, but again, that is in the eye of the beholder....At what point in pregnancy does an abortion change from "preventing" a life to "ending" one? And even if you can pinpoint that moment, does it supersede a woman's right to control her own body? These questions are not easily answered, no matter how much the right say they are. The right is against freedom, no matter how much they try to claim that mantle as their own. The only freedom I ever see them truly champion, is the freedom to rip other people off.

And I know that excludes a group. But they're nuts. You can't restrict someone's ability to choose on something this personal. I was thrilled to hear Obama use the proper description. It's as though someone has been actually listening to us.

January. I'll believe it when I see it. But in the meantime, I'm dreaming of it.

I am more and more impressed by Senator Obama every time I hear him speak.

-Laelth