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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:10 AM
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Since when is a 6, 7, 8 point lead a "dead heat"?
Kee-rist a'mighty. Front page of my local rag--"Presidential Candidates in Statistical Dead Heat". (Sorry--no link--it's not on their Web site for some reason.)
:wtf:

They are trying SO HARD to make this suspenseful. Never mind the math. :eyes: Yeah, I know that with the margin of error, it's not considered "much" of a lead, but doesn't the term "dead heat" imply that the race is tied?

Gawd, I hate my local paper. x(
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:14 AM
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1. Did your paper endorse Palin/McCain?
My paper, the Columbus Dispatch, did that very thing just today. (No, I can't cancel my subscription; like most cities these days Columbus has only one paper, so there is no choice.)
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:37 AM
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5. No endorsement yet--wouldn't be surprised if they avoided it altogether
The paper is terrified of pissing off either side. It used to be fairly liberal, then in the past several years it's been conservative (a couple of years ago they bowed to conservative blowhards and moved Doonesbury from the front page of the Sunday comics to the inside of the section, but at least they didn't move the daily strip to the editorial page). Lately (perhaps with the departure of the managing editor a couple of months ago?) they've been refusing to take a side at all--even to the point of having exactly the same number of LTTEs on either side, every single day. One pro-Repuke letter, one pro-Dem letter. Two pro-Repuke letters, two pro-Dem letters. Etc.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:17 AM
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2. because it is a statistical dead heat
I know that is hard to get but it really is the case. Now that said, when you take an average of polls and still have that kind of lead it is significant.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:35 AM
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4. when you average the polls Obama does lead. It's not a "statistical dead heat"
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:43 AM
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10. Exactly.
After reading this ridiculous story by some idiot on the paper's staff--which surprised me, as they usually run AP stories when they want national coverage--I checked Google News for "dead heat" (to see where this guy was getting his information) and found only...Zogby. :eyes: (Zogby was not mentioned in the article, nor was any other pollster--a fact-check/citation failing on the part of this "journalist".)

I commented on this to Mr. MG, who is a Republican (sigh--otherwise a good guy), and he said I'm offended only because I "only read what I want to hear" (i.e., DU). Not true, I responded. If you look at all the polls out, Obama holds a clear lead. He didn't have an answer for that one, except that the pollsters are all liberal. :eyes:
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President Decider Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:22 AM
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3. since the media needed a "horserace" to get the ratings $$$$ they were counting on!
This hasn't been a "dead head" or a "Horse Race" in weeks if not months.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:22 AM
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12. On ABC news ...

On ABC News they are talking alternatively between "the next President" and "President Obama". The writing is on the wall and Obama has all the $$$. True Obama could run out on a stage and demand to know where all the white women are and it would then be a close race. But if you look at the electoral map you will see that McCain has to win ALL the battleground states and take away an Obama 7 point advantage in Virginia in order to win.

The remaining bit of interest is whether Democrats reach 60 Senate seats (sans Lieberman). At that point we can put in some stiff laws against election fraud and route Republicans for quite some time to come as we can effectively put a stop to all their vote shaving efforts.

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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:38 AM
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6. My news feed this morning was screaming"Obama lead down to three points"
But that was only in one poll (Zogby) and the rest of the polls have been largely unchanged. Go figure.

They want the horse race but I think Powell's endorsement today will dispel any notions of that.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:41 AM
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9. I'm surprised at C-Span and Reuters for putting their eggs with Zogby again!
haven't they gotten yoke on their faces too many times?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:40 AM
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7. The media needs it to be a horse race so they can get ratings
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AZSlacker Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:41 AM
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8. Zogby released an outlier
Showing a 3 pt spread. Of course the media latched onto the outlier to fuel the narrative that the race is a "dead heat".
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:45 AM
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11. When the Bradley effect is estimated to be about 7%, I don't think it applies in this case but
the 12 point lead polls are pure B.S.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:26 AM
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13. Since Diebold. n/t
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:31 AM
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14. They've given up on reality
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 AM by casus belli
They are at a point where they think they can utter something with no factual information to back it up. It's sort of like:

"Obama has terrorist ties"

"Uh, that has been disproven multiple times by multiple non-partisan sources"

"No, it hasn't."

"Yeah....it has"

"Nope."

"Well, I'm not gonna bother arguing with you."

"Fear not, change is coming."

"You're right, Obama has this thing locked up."

"I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about McCain."

"Oh, so McCain stands for change now?"

"Yep, he's a maverick. Have you seen his new slogan - 'Yes, we can y'all'?"

"Jesus."

"I thought y'all didn't believe in God."





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