Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Should we use the time now to hold Colin Powell's feet to the fire?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:31 AM
Original message
Should we use the time now to hold Colin Powell's feet to the fire?
"Don't underestimate the capacity of Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
-Barack Obama

I think that about sums it up. :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:32 AM
Response to Original message
1. No, we shouldn't. We should be glad that he has sense to do the right thing!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Preach it FrenchieCat!
:hi:

As much as some people seem to hate Colin Powell here, I only wish that they will save the hate until after we win this election. Now is not the time to become a disorderly mob. Obama is where he is in this race because his campaign is always on message and is very well-organized. It's a model that we could aspire to here at DU. :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. Independant thought is SO overrated!
The little American flag smiley really nailed it. Where do I sign up to be the liberal version of a ditto-head??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. I appreciate your constant kicking of my thread
It's racking up the views. Thanks for doing your part in keeping my message alive. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. You're welcome!
However, since my message and you not being able to counter it are also in this thread, my reasons for bumping it are entirely selfish. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #22
27. But your crusade against Colin Powell right now makes so much sense


:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Oh noes!!! You called me a freeper!!!
:eyes:

Thanks for the kick. I enjoyed FLyellowdog's quote about a house divided against itself cannot stand. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

And an extra :patriot: since I know how much you like them. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. I guess you haven't been over there today.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7516374#7518010

Lirwin2 has posted a good summation of the reaction. Hint: they ain't happy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #6
30. Thans Frenchie
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:32 AM
Response to Original message
2. Only if we're out of our minds
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
3. no. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
4. Funny thing about that quote:
You can bring it up when anybody proposes any type of strategy you disagree with! Awesome, huh!?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. If the strategy doesn't help us win this election, why deploy it?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. There is this thing called "principle"
For example, forming a militia and murdering every Republican in Washington may be an effective strategy to take control of the government, however it wouldn't be right. Snuggling up to a war criminal in order to win a few more votes in an election that we're already winning isn't right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. The buck stops on one desk.
ONE DESK! It wasn't Powell's war, it was Bush's war. Powell even advised the President to reconsider his decision.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #15
21. Was that before or after he told the world that Saddam had mobile germ labs?
I see. Powell is just a poor innocent victim. The Sec. of State shouldn't be expected to use his own brain. Gotcha.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. You have any proof he wasn't lied to by intelligence officials in the Bush administration?
That is his claim and unfortunately no real investigation has been done on this. You're just content to place all the blame on Colin Powell. After all, when a crime is committed, it's more important to put one person in jail than to find out who is really responsible. :crazy:

Thanks for constantly kicking my thread. Much appreciated. :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. Do you have any proof that he was?
Are you claiming that the Sec. of State has no information-gathering abilities of his own? Are you aware that many individuals in many intel agencies said, prior to the war, that there were no WMDs? Do you remember the name Hans Blix?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. I think an investigation is needed on this
Not only to bring light on the record, but to protect our nation from these kinds of intelligence failures in the future.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. ah.. that "principle" ridiculousness that allows republicans to stay in power.
I tire of the liberal purists... wonder if you all would be welcome to have us peer into your lives to see if you're living that principal yourself? You know.. don't own a car because of foreign oil being the cause of wars, you don't shop in any corporate stores, you know.. stuff like that.

It's easy to throw those "war criminal" attacks around here when we're trying to save our fucking Country. Sometimes I think half the people who start stuff like that are 'principal trolls'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #18
24. "principal trolls", I like that.
You know who else thinks that morality shouldn't ever get in the way of winning at any cost? Republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #24
31. Kick!
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
5. Only fools would do that
I'm glad Obama doesn't take a cue from incendiary online postings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:34 AM
Response to Original message
7. No, it has tremendous political value
And should be pointed out to all all fence sitters everywhere.
Let's not get totally ga-ga though, OK? True courage would have been to speak out when it really would have made a difference. He is supporting Obama now when there is no danger whatsoever for him to do so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. "no danger whatsoever for him to do so"
Just watch what the Republican Party will probably do to him in the future. It won't be pretty. Any skeletons in his closet will be on full display on Fox & Friends. And no, his family won't be off-limits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:38 AM
Original message
That's nice.
Since I know I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for Democrats to ever hold him accountable for anything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
33. There's a time and place for everything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. There's always another election coming up.
2006 all over again.

Also, bumping this thread where I intellectually owned everybody.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Thanks :-)


:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
8. Absolutely not. We accept the endorsement without condition.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
10. Duh, no. I think you answered your question.
;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. Don't make me come over there!
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
14. a voice of reason this morning. Thank you. Hope people understand your point. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Much appreciated :-)
Yet, as you can clearly see on this thread, some other people still don't get it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
19. Only folks who want Obama to lose would do that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
25. No. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
32.  ...
:wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Your insight is appreciated
Short and concise. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 10:42 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC