I'm not lovin' Colin Powell like the rest of you.

I'm not going to get on the lovin' Colin Powell bandwagon here at DU. Yes, I can forgive people but I can't forgive Colin Powell for lying about that little vial. Just like I can't forgive Bush and Cheney for their lies. It cost too much in lives and treasure. Did Powell apologize? No, this morning he passed it on to the Congress for also accepting the lies. Congress did it so my doing it was unimportant he implied. Plus he never asked for forgiveness because he refuses to accept his responsibility in it. Why is it that we held our Democratic candidates in the primary responsible for Iraq but we give a pass to Republican Powell? I would have thought a lot more of him if he had just remained quiet and not endorsed anyone. I don't think his endorsement will put Obama over the top. I think Obama was already over the top. It really makes me sad that so quickly we've forgotten his part and let this endorsement wash away his sin.

Change the spelling of vial.

Or do you just want it as a cushion so to speak.

to counter those who will complain about us stealing it. We need all the votes, and all the support we can get. If this will sway some people, that is good. Even if there are enough votes, he will need all the support he can get because he is inheriting a huge mess.

You don't have to forgive Powell, but you can appreciate his endorsement. People are shades of grey in what they do, not all good or all bad.

And the people who are joyously jumping on the Powell-as-a-hero bandwagon irritate me.

I personally think he was more lied to than lying - but I'm welcome to my opinion

go tell Barack to reject the endorsement.

You don't have to love Powell. Obama will reap wonderful benefits from this endorsement. That should be good news to any Obama supporter.

But if he sees the right choice in this election, why not give him at least some slack for that?

pushes people to vote for Obama, I'll take it gladly. There's too much at stake here that trumps what Powell did in past.

Who cares what he did...he can help us now!

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See the thing is I agree that Powell is a war criminal. Powell might actually agree with you about that as well. However, he is a moderate republican with foreign policy credentials who is well respected over on the other side of the political spectrum and he just eloquently endorsed Obama, eloquently stated that America and the world deserve better than four more years of failed Bush policy, and eloquently denounced the Bullshit Express that has become the sad hallmark of his friend John McCain's political campaign. I welcome Powell over to our side. What he did today most certainly helped elect Barack Obama president, and that is a good thing.

It is possible to feel 2 different things at once.

and permitted the Iraq War, Gitmo and Abu Grahib to happen on his watch.

Four strikes and he's 'out' with me.

Sorry, I'm not duplicitous enough to welcome this endorsement.

Fuck him. But the military types like him, and it gives Obama votes. That's it. You don't have to like him to appreciate the help.

I hope he stays home, and doesn't look for work with Obama's administration. He can take an order but is unable to stand up to authority. He shot his wad at the UN on that fateful day and now, enough.

Oh well. I've seen lots of pro- anti- and neutral (glad of the endorsement but...) new threads started to say variations of those same things.

After one of the threads gets more than ten replies, the next guy whose ego just can't take being lost in the list starts his own thread to say the same things others have been saying for hours.

Oh well. I'm getting used to it.

I'm glad of the endorsement because lots of moderates will be swayed, but understand that Powell has made some serious mistakes in his career.

And he has missed some opportunities to be extremely courageous and defy the actually frightening wrath of the Cheney administration and interfere more boldly with their push to war.

BUT

there are lots of imperfect leaders out there.

And Powell's endorsement raised some excellent points in Senator Obama's favor for public consideration one more time.

And the public can learn other things from watching George Will's weird commentary about it.

I do not believe for a moment that he was mistaken by "bad intelligence". The administration used his popularity to push their agenda. He had a choice to make, and he made it. Now he lives without the credibility he gave away. What a pity, he was once a great man.

I did listen to his endorsement this morning and thought he did it well. I agree with the post's author that it is much late. I think it is rediculous to overlook what he did to this country because now he has chosen to cast his vote for the easily better candidate.

Come on......This endorsement just put the final nail in the coffin of the McSame hate machine. It's time to CELEBRATE. Won't you come and join us? :hi: :toast:

and then tomorrow I'll be right back on the team seeking his indictment for WAR CRIMES for LYING US into this ILLEGAL WAR OF CHOICE BASED ON (HIS) LIES.

See - we CAN do two thing at the same time!!!

I already voted for Obama and I hope a whole lot of Repo military families in FL, NC, VA, MT, and WV do too. This gives those people some psychological cover. They can vote Obama and feel like it's good for the military and our country.

For about 2 more weeks i can put off indicting and trying Powell.

After the election we should write Obama and ask him to pursue charges against the former admin. including Powell.

... the influence that he still has over a large swath of the public, especially those "independents" and "undecideds" who, like Powell, supported the invasion of Iraq.

And it is inarguable that an Obama endorsement from Powell, as opposed to his endorsing McCain, is a baby step towards redemption on the damnation spectrum. Personally, I don't think it's much of a step, so much as not taking one final leap towards eternal damnation by doubling-down with a McCain endorsement.

so do you still condemn all of the Democrats that supported the IWR?

and for the whole country if this is one more nail in the Rethug party's coffin.