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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:38 PM
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You hate Powell? So do I.
I hate the fact that he helped lead us into an illegal and immoral war in Iraq, but you know what I hate more? I hate that John McCain wants to keep our troops there for 100 years killing and torturing innocent people who will in turn hate us for generations to come.

I hate the fact that he propped up the bush* administration during the 2004 election, but you know what I would hate more? I would hate it if he was to help prop up the McCain campaign during the last two weeks of this election.

I hate the fact that he endorsed bush* over Gore in 2000 helping to usher in the last eight years of incompetence and greed, but you know what I would really, really hate? I would hate to see another four to eight years under McCain or, quite possibly, Sarah Palin.

Yes, I hate Powell's actions (and inactions) over the course of the last eight years but as so many have said here today, this isn't about me or you. It isn't about Barack Obama or John McCain. It's not even about Colin Powell. This is about the future of our country. It's about the future we want for our children. It's about the future of mankind.

So I'm going to swallow my pride for all of that and say thanks to Powell for doing the right thing, possibly for the first time in his life. I'm going to say thanks as well to Peggy Noonan, Micheal Schmerconish, David Brooks, Christopher Buckley, and every conservative newspaper that has endorsed Barack Obama for president. They have each put ideology behind them to support the man they feel is most qualified to lead this nation at perhaps it's most fragile moment.

Barack Obama is right that now is the time to stop fighting over the things we disagree on and come together on the things we do. If you believe in Obama you will join me in supporting his philosophy.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:46 PM
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1. A little reminder of why he is a war criminal.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:50 PM
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5. To be blunt: What the fuck do you want Obama to do about it?
Either he wins this election and works to help those who need it or he loses and mcRacist gets to pad the pockets of his friends until Palin pushes him down a flight of stairs. Which do you prefer?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:54 PM
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7. He might take the opportunity to point out the destruction Bush's war has caused.
He might want to do it in some detail.

And then say it will not be repeated.

And faintly thank Powell in passing.

With the lead he has he can afford to talk about something besides the stock market.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:58 PM
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10. In other words, you want him to pull a Dukakis.
This is a presidential election. Obama doesn't have the luxury of doing anything that could cost votes like that.

He has repeatedly condemned the Iraq War and all the lives it has cost. Why is that not enough for you? Why do you want him to push that at the expense of the election?

Do you really think mcRacist and palin wouldn't be that bad?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:04 PM
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12. Your logic is loose. This war did not happen by accident.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:07 PM
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14. I'm afraid yours in non-existent. Where did I say the war was an accident?
I'm saying that you don't fuck up a lead by listening to the politically insane call of the most extreme members of your party in their calls for retribution. I'm willing to put my personal hatred aside for the good of the country. Are you?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:57 PM
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8. Yeah. Thats really helpful to the indep and conservatives
That Obama NEEDS to win this election. Calling a man with AN 80% APPROVAL RATING a war criminal is brilliant..In fact I think you've hit on a sure fire way for Obama to lose!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:02 PM
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11. You're right. The election is so close we can't afford to mention the war this guy articulated.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:08 PM
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15. Obama has repeatedly mentioned this war and the fact that he's going to end it.
Do you really need links to that?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:24 PM
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18. Waaaaaaaaaahhhh.....
Purity trolls make me laugh.

:rofl:

RL
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:45 PM
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19. They are pretty pathetic, aren't they?
These are kind the people who would have formed Barackobamaforum.net if Hillary had won the nomination.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:46 PM
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2. could not have said it better...
myself!!!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:48 PM
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3. BINGO !!! - Exactly !!! - K & R !!!
:kick:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:49 PM
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4. oh hush with the grandstanding and hyperbole.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:50 PM
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6. Sorry, I'll remember that only your opinions count in future.
:eyes:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:57 PM
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9. k&r -- well-said, thank you. (nt)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:04 PM
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13. Thanks. I'm just amazed at how many people want to punish good behavior.
All these calls for rejecting Powell remind of someone watching a puppy go to the bathroom outside for the first time and then grabbing the poor thing and shoving his nose in an old pile of shit.

It's very true that irrational hatred exists on BOTH sides of the political spectrum.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:09 PM
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16. Yes. I will join in on this.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 03:11 PM by Gregorian
And it goes against the base desire for revenge and hate. This is what a leader like Obama is for, and about. A sort of basic supporting foundation that helps us to overcome basic instinct. Reason versus instinct.

We are using reason to create a world that will serve all of us better than one which is created out of reaction.

Be strong. Rise above. These are things I find difficult. But with support, with congregation, we can.


By the way, I was discussing the idea of the two parties yesterday. I see how we are playing a game of tug of war. Think of all the effort that goes nowhere, when if we werre all pulling in the same direction we would be accomplishing so much.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:18 PM
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17. Imagine us all pulling together. What a concept.
Too bad there are some even here who would rather punish others than work together for everyone. :shrug:
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:46 PM
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20. Exactly when did David Broks and Peggy Noonan ENDORSE
Obama? I read Brooks' recent column in the NY Times on Obama. It was far from an endorsement. It was a tease, and at the end he gave Obama a little slap.
Noonan? All I've heard is that she was lukewarm on McCain.

But maybe I've missed something.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:55 PM
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21. You're right that neither was a formal endorsement.
But they both were very clear on what they thought of the repub ticket, especially mcRacist and his erratic tactics. Neither left any doubt as to where they stood on this election.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:13 PM
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22. Never could stand the lying republican fuck! Now people want to kiss his lying ass because he
says simply he'll now vote for Obama....sick of these cocksucking assholes!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:14 PM
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23. Would you feel the same if * & Cheney came out & said they supported Obama?
:eyes:
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:25 PM
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24. That tired argument doesn't wash since there's an incredible difference in degree of criminality.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 04:26 PM by last1standing
However, the real answer is yes, I would feel the same. I'm not suggesting that Powell be excused for his previous actions or that he should not be held liable for any criminal wrongdoing on his part. I'm thanking him for putting his country before his ideology. It's that simple.

Once again, we have to work together to create this change Obama's talking about. We can't do it alone.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:34 PM
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25. Kick!
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