I can't wait for Dick Cheney to seek redemption for the Iraq war-then we can do a headline like this

"I believe in redemption. And I believe Dick Cheney deserves credit for trying to make things right".

Then of of course there would be hundreds of replies and a couple of hundred rec's.

nuff said!

...and yet you keep saying it. :boring:

No matter your feelings this has a huge impact on them and is an indictment against McCain.

This is very good for Obama. That's what matters.

but the Powell apologists are making me puke.

He had a major part with the deception of this f'ing war.

In my eyes, he's redeemed. His endorsement is a way of rectifying the wrongs and the mistakes...which in the end will help get Obama in the WH. If Powell's endorsement sways voters, which I think it will with independents and the military community, then he's done what he could to help Obama. That is why I'm putting his role in the lead up to the Iraq war behind me.

Call me an apologist, trumad, but that's how I feel.

What about the other Neo-Cons?

In fact, I was hoping he'd be the voice of reason and was very disappointed in his speech to the UN that day. As time went on and we were proven right in what a disaster the Iraq war became I waited to see if he would break away from the bush administration. After he retired and he still held back despite his regret over the speech at the UN he never really repudiated bush or the rest of them. I lost a lot of respect for him over the last few years.

This is a big deal for my husband and I because we're both vets and served when Powell was active duty. He sent my husband's unit to war twice...Panama and Gulf War I. You can blame that for our willingness to forgive him.

He was never in the same league as Wolfowitz or the neocons. In fact, I've never felt he was a neocon. Majority of career military aren't neocons.

Powell still supports the war on Iraq.

I thank Powell for his endorsement.

I do not "redeem" what he has done and what he still supports having done.

The only redemption Cheney wants is his bonds.

the more folks voting for Obama the better. ;)

Dubya wants to vote for him? Hop in the car son! I'll drive you to the polls!

.... i'd even take him out to lunch when he's done. We could have some pie.

:rofl:

Fuck redemption. I don't care one way or the other.

What I care about is putting Barack Obama in the White House. That is my only focus at the moment. So if Powell's endorsement brings just one additional vote our way, thank you General Powell!

I'll leave it to others to argue about all this other crap that has nothing to do with whether or not Obama becomes our next POTUS.

Sometimes I just don't understand DU.

Many are convinced that he wouldn't seek it anyway. Bad analogy.

I don't know why you feel the need to start yet another thread like this.

What---you don't think he was part of the deception?
Read this: http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/02/7093_the_un_deceptio.html

That doesn't mean we now need to take a timewarp back to 2002 and replay this shit over again.

I think your previous post on this subject was plenty succinct enough: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7515516

I mean, he IS Obama's cousin, isn't he? Doesn't he deserve complete absolution for being a complete fucking nazi based on that alone??
























:sarcasm: <---- I hope I really didn't need to add this, but there it is anyway.

and how would that have been interpeted by the media and many people, who despite everything, still admire Powell. I understand your feeling, but in the long run if this helps Obama win then I'm glad it happened.

But i will not jump on this lovefest for a war criminal.

all you have is hyperbole.

his record is 10000% better than you are suggesting if you objectively looked at it, rather than insisting on indignation.

:eyes:

and your crybaby threads get zero recs.

RL

Should Obama refuse this endorsement?

"So i said: thanks, but no thanks..."

RL

that's all.

So go figure...

'Nuff said :)

All that hatred in one's heart with no place to go. It must be terrible.

"Nuff said" indeed.

Unless of course you're aloud to hate them?

Just as much as you love to hate everyone and everything that doesn't fall perfectly in line with your narrow ideology.

Hey! I have an idea! I think I'll post a dozen threads on the same hate filled topic just to make sure that no one can read a Damned thing here without first seeing how much, and how well, I can hate!

Thanks for leading the way, trumad. :freak:

You must have gone to the Powell school of deception.

All hate, all the time.

than have my head up my ass like some here.

n/t

Powell has their blood on his hands just as much as cheney does.

And I can't believe you just called trumad a freeper. What the fucking hell?

What the fucking Hell, indeed.

Jesus...

:wtf:

:banghead:

see.

So he's a little less complicit in the deceit---- So maybe I should hate him a little less?

How about Doug Feith---maybe Scooter Libby---or Paul Wolfowitz???? Should I hate them more or less?

He is also not the assholes you named in your comment.

Feith?

you don't think he lied? If you don't---- you got your head up your rear end.

:eyes:

Get a life.

You know how many times I've heard that today___ on a forum that usually demolishes people for saying that.

Fuck Colin Powell.

It is the same as the freepers who claim gay marriage will lead to dog marriage.

Both are slippery slope fallacies.

I'm not about to forgive what Powell did in the run-up to the war but I think Cheney is leagues of evil beyond Powell.

Powell does.


It's about winning an election.

you mean the morans who haven't decided yet.

The Obama campaigns should hire you.

:sarcasm:

It should be possible for progressive and liberal democrats to recognize the value of General Powell's endorsement, agree with 90% of the things he said today, and appreciate the potential that he could possible be helpful as a resource for the Obama administration, but still keep in mind that he is a snake. And as a snake, there is also a very real potential for him to be a negative influence in the years to come. When we fail to see both sides, as do many on DU -- including on this thread -- then the potential for the negative increases substantially.

Thank you for this OP.

I ain't a fool and I know that his endorsement will lean some lizard heads Obama's way---- but damn to hell those who fall for the revisionist history.

Honestly I could care less what some here throw at me.... I hate this war and I double the hate for those who were instrumental in starting it.

But he lied to the country and the world. He lacked the courage of his convictions. It is a matter of a lack of character, and we would be fools to ignore this.

Yeah, he shouldn't have played along. He should have stood up back then. But to compare the two is hyperbole. Powell was probably the least odious member of the Bush Administration and was the first to jump ship. He has much to atone for, but I refuse to despise the man and place him on the level of Dick Cheney.