Who's the better endorsement?

Seriously - to all of the idiots who "Do not accept" Powell's endorsement - which one do you think plays better with Independents, and Republican's looking for one little reason to cross over and vote for Obama?

And spare me the "Well, we don't NEED their votes". That's BULLSHIT. We need every single vote we can get.. for whatever reason we get them.

Endorsements like this are the difference maker between this election, and 2004. And we know what happened in 2004. So take your pride, and put it away for 3 weeks until this is all over.. then you can bitch about how we don't need help from Republicans who are looking to make amends. Believe me, there aren't many of them - and this is the only one who has any sort of sway over the undecideds.

But, let's see what the polls say:

A few i found in the past 5 minutes... admitedly, there are more Pro-Powell threads then anti.. but the anti ones just don't make sense at this point IMO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7515516&mesg_id=7515516

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7518634&mesg_id=7518634

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7523073

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7516568&mesg_id=7516568

I think Mr.Powell could not stand up to Cheney, never mind * , he could not say to Cheney's face..." Why don't you do it?" (lie to the UN)

Therefor, Powell in Progressive circles, has no cred...

to do a 180 on FISA and the DC gunban and campaign finance.

Oh, and welcoming Powell's endorsement.

You think that AL GORE is going to be more effective in pulling Independants & Conservatives to vote for Obama then Colin Powell?

The poll wasn't "Who do you like better".. Al Gore would (or should) win 100% on this board. Al Gore endorsing Obama is a no-brainer.. it's already assumed he's on Obama's side.. he's liberal.

Powell is a game changer, Powell is unexpected. Powell is on the other team, saying that the other team isn't as good as Obama's team, and he now wants to be on Obama's team - and everyone else should too.

That to me is much more powerful then someone in your choir agreeing with you.

Obama doesnt NEED the credibility of a progressive giving him an endorsement.

Powell's endorsement hits straight into the heart of the GOP, undermines their attempts to claim Obama cant be a President who will defend our country, moves a large swath of undecided independents off the fence and towards Obama.

That is far more significant in getting Obama elected than placating the far left (who will vote for Obama anyway).

Al Gore is a feel good.

Colin Powell is a pendulum nudger.

For every "over-informed" progressive who is angry with Powell about the War, there are plenty of Americans who don't blame him for it.

Of those who respect him, half will say "It's a black thing"... and the other half will say "this is an endorsement from a former Army general and Republican Secretary of State, who is expressing the view that Obama will be a good commander-in-chief, and good for world standing."

It will be noticed by the veteran community, it will be noticed by the troops who served under Powell. It will be noticed by the Republicans who decided that they could vote for Powell if he ran.

So, just because it doesn't mean jack sh*t to you doesn't lessen its weight in the eyes of others.

:shrug: If I had to pick one, I would pick Powell's now rather than Gore's then, because his was a given.

No one disputes the fact that Gore is a good endorsement, but a few are saying that his endorsement is better for what Obama needs now then Powell.

Obviously everyone would say that both are great endorsements for Obama.. but the point of my poll was to show that Powell although not as popular politically amoung liberals, is probably the BETTER endorsement because of it. He sways some of the people we need to vote for Obama.

I think most people have made up their minds. And even if they haven't, I don't think many are going to vote for or against the candidate based on an endorsement.

I think where the candidate stands on the issues matters more.

Though I did not vote in the poll, I think the answer is "other." I do not think the two can be accurately measured in terms of value. Both are important, though they are aimed at different groups.

But right here-right now I'd choose Powell to endorse Obama. I think he carries more weight with any voters we can still win over.

and that's what matters right now.

It has a huge active duty, and retired military community, particularly in the panhandle (retired likes it there because there is no state income tax, and plenty of commissaries to shop at).

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But I suppose that Powell's endorsement has a bigger effect because the Left isn't going anywhere. The squishy middle that Powell appeals to the most go wherever it's convenient. This time around it's to the Left. In eight years half of them will probably be voting Republican again.

An over-educated, black, female, married, world-traveled (including some U.S. war zones) indie and Powell's endorsement meant so much to me it was ridiculous.

He has alot of respect in alot of circles -- among independents, among military families, and I do believe in large respect among blacks. I hate what he did working for Bush. HATE IT. But I still have some pretty deep respect for him as a man who has achieved much.

Btw, did anyone notice that in McCain's attempts to diminish Powell's endorsement, he rattled off a list of all the SOS who've endorsed him and CONDIE's name was very prominently NOT on that list???! Hmmmm.. what's up with that??! Or did I just miss where she endorsed him??

No, Condie hasn't endorsed anyone.. and I don't think she will. As an active member of the Bush administration, it would be beyond disrespectful for her to endorse Obama while remaining in Bush's cabinet.. but at the same time, I don't see her wanting to endorse McCain. She may not agree with Obama's policies, but I don't think she appreciates McCain's racial "pep rallies" that he seems fond of lately.

However, the msm will do everything it can to downplay it (starting with Tom Brokaw)

but it's still the most important endorsement he could have received.