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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:42 AM
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JTP: "I wouldn't feel right about accepting a tax cut if I knew it meant higher taxes for..."
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"I wouldn't feel right about accepting a tax cut if I knew it meant higher taxes for people who work harder or had gotten better breaks in life than me."

Joe the Plumber said this several times last night.

Only in "Real America" does rugged individualism equal belligerent acquiescence to peasantry. (Is he afraid of offending the God of "breaks" who made the rich rich? Is this about preserving Karma? We know Joe is a nut-right Christian but I cannot find anything in the Good Book to support the "divine right of breaks" theory.)

Would Joe the Plumber feel comfortable accepting an insurance check if his house burned down, knowing it would mean higher premiums for people whose houses didn't burn down?


Discuss.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:44 AM
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1. Did you see him on Hannity?
I read that he said he'd been on welfare at one point, and was complaining about losing child care assistance.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:06 AM
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11. Yes, he was on with Sean (wearing a suit but no flag pin!!!)
I didn't catch the welfare part but I was flipping around.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:44 AM
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2. Are you sure he said "better breaks?"
It sound kind of weird. Yes, there is something rather acquiescent encouraged by the REpublican party. Never thought of it that way.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:46 AM
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4. Yes. He said previously it didn't matter if it were Bill Gates having to pay more taxes.
He doesn't want the wealthy to pay more taxes than the poor. Sort of seems like a flat tax idea.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:46 AM
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5. For real. High-octane Calvinism
He said it several times, sometimes in the form, "people who work harder or have gotten better breaks."

But since we know Joe the Plumber works 36 hours a day, nine days a week, I don't see how anyone could work harder.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:45 AM
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3. I read that a radio station is "raising money" to give to Joe for his back taxes.
I wonder if Joe will be "comfortable" accepting that handout...
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:49 AM
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Then pay your state taxes, Joe.
I pay mine, and I don't even live in "real" Virginia.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:49 AM
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6. He's a paid, brainwashed tool.
He is what is called an "angry white man". This type of person has been written about at length. It's the "illegals", "minorities", and "liberals", and "government" that's ruining his life. It's not corporations or the wealthy because without them, he wouldn't have a job, so he says.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:49 AM
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7. What the hell does this even mean? Would he feel better if it meant higher
taxes for people who have never had breaks? Or does he just want the higher taxes to go to those who don't "work harder"?

I wish the media would notice that this guy's 15 mins of fame are over.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:50 AM
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8. delete
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 10:51 AM by Jim4Wes
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:50 AM
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9. Joe the Plumber has been brainwashed like so many others
against Democracy. He is against a government of the people by the people and for the people in favor of government by the wealthy Landowners for the wealthy Landowners.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:52 AM
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10. Given that Joe gave himself a $1000+ "tax cut" without telling anyone,
I'm not exactly sure why we're asking his opinion.
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WallStreetNobody Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:08 AM
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12. What Joe is too dumb to realize is that McCain's tax cuts for the rich come at his expense
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:23 AM
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14. I'm sure he wouldn't care
the rich all "work harder" than everyone else, right?
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:25 AM
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15. Maybe I'm dumb too then
If Bill Gates gets a tax cut, and my taxes aren't raised, then how does Gates' tax cut come at my expense?
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WallStreetNobody Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:52 AM
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20. Dave, I meant in the sense that the deficit burden is spread amongst everyone
and also keep in mind the GOP has no problem raising regressive taxes like payroll taxes which saw their biggest increase during Reagan w/o corresponding increases in benefits or McCain's plan to tax health benefits. At times they will push the burden on middle-income people directly.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:43 PM
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21. 'cause you'd be driving on dirt roads
A certain amount of national wealth must be dedicated to the health of the nation.

So even if you don't pay for Bill Gates' tax cut in your $$$ you pay in terms of national quality of life.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:45 PM
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27. that's a stretch
So any tax cut, because it reduces government revenue, comes at my expense. I don't buy that argument. It's OUR money, not the government's. I'm tired of hearing about how tax cuts will cost the government. It's not their money!
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:12 AM
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13. People who work harder? Is Joe admitting he doesn't work very hard?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:29 AM
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16. So only people who make a lot of maney work hard?
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:34 AM
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17. masochist
:spank:
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:37 AM
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18. Marx would have a field day with this guy
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:52 AM
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19. Somebody tell Samuel the non plumber that his 15 minutes are over already.
:eyes:
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WindRiverMan Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:46 PM
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22. Joe doesn't pay his taxes. 3% of 0 is still 0
It's Republican math is all.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:33 PM
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30. "I wouldn't feel comfortable paying my taxes."
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:47 PM
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23. shit if you follow his logic he shouldn't accept his job because
someone else didn't get it. man these people scare me.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:47 PM
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24. Ugh, I wish somebody would stick a toilet plunger over Joe the Plumber's mouth.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:49 PM
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25. Republicans vote against their sef interests all the time
Because they've been brainwashed
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:49 PM
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26. Joe the plumber is an insult to our intellingence ...Maybe something is clogged in his Brain .. he
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 12:52 PM by TheCoxwain
should try this...


http://bp1.blogger.com/_bJq-KxfxXmA/ReUS8yU3bhI/AAAAAAAAAKA/Qkz5TPZtRbw/s400/plunger+head.jpg
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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:49 PM
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29. You made me laugh so hard I almost fell off my chair. n/t
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:46 PM
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28. He needs to be retired to Faux News NOW nt
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:37 PM
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31. Isn't he basically saying that it's patriotic to pay taxes?
The same thing Biden got roundly criticized for?

He 'wouldn't feel right' but its OK for a millionaire to accept a tax cut even if it means higher taxes for the middle class?
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:38 PM
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32. Soo... he feels bad for people who are luckier than him?
This is why foreigners think we're stupid.
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