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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:38 PM
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Why I won't vote early
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 12:38 PM by LisaM
I've called my county several times to ask them what contingencies they have in case something happens to a candidate AFTER you've voted for him or her - think Paul Wellstone. They don't have an answer for me.

DON'T FORGET that people who voted for Wellstone before he died lost their votes. They didn't get new ballots, and their votes didn't count for Mondale.

Norm Coleman's margin of victory did not equal the number of votes already cast for Wellstone.

I was shocked to hear Barack Obama encouraging people to vote early. I don't think it's a safe thing to do.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:39 PM
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1. You are not well
are you?

:crazy: :popcorn:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:45 PM
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10. Look, it's not just death or illness
you may remember that they had to go to court - the Supreme Court - to get Frank Lautenberg on the ballot.

You may have a short memory. I don't.

And, I am perfectly well, but thanks for your concern. I am not a fan of early voting, and I don't entirely trust it.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:39 PM
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2. You've got to be kidding
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 12:40 PM by Uzybone
So you wont vote early because you think Obama might die? WTF?

You might die tomorrow, who is gonna count your vote then?

Everyone, pls get out there and vote early, use the election day to help others who have not voted to get to the polls.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:40 PM
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3. I already voted
I am working the polls on election day.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:40 PM
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4. Realistically, the chance of something bad happening to Obama between now and Nov. 4 -- 0.01%
The chances of their being BUTTLOADS of people going to vote, causing long lines, confusion, and a mess on election day -- 100%.

THAT's why he's saying we should go EV -- get out of the way for the rest of the storm. :bounce:

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:41 PM
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5. Be sure to check the tide charts in your local phonebook.
Make sure you don't vote during heavy chemtrail activity.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:42 PM
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7. For once
I am laughing at you... or is it with you? Anyway - I agree.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:41 PM
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6. I was not referring to Obama or any candidate in particular
but thanks for making that leap.

I'm just saying, election officials don't have contingency plans for unexpected situations. It still bugs me that Norm Coleman claimed victory after thousands of voters were disenfranchised.

Geeze. Please don't make assumptions.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:46 PM
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15. So,
you were talking about McCain?

You win the most dumbass post of the day


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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:50 PM
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17. What's the matter with you?
Why are you insulting me when I'm just pointing out something that happened in recent history?

Call your county, and see what they have in place for when a candidate has to drop out for whatever reason between when people cast absentee ballots and the actual election. See what they have to say. You'll be surprised. This came up when our county tried to go to all-mail voting (which I'm against). I called them and asked what would happen if a candidate had to drop out, and they did not have any response.

I was not even thinking of the presidential election, actually. In the two cases I've referred to, it was Senate campaigns.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:55 PM
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18. I am insulting you
because you posted an ignorant OP.

Maybe you should vote late... Just in case. :eyes:


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:44 PM
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8. You are 100% wrong

In the case of Presidential candidates you are not voting for the candidates at all.

You are in fact voting for a slate of electors who will vote in January.

The death of any of the candidates on the ballot will have no effect on your actual vote on the electors.

Please stop spreading this nonsense and listen to the Obama campaign.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:45 PM
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11. :thumbsup:

Thanks for bringing some sanity to this thread... :crazy:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:45 PM
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13. Ahaha. That is quite true!
Thanks for the good sense!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:47 PM
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16. Did I ever say "presidential candidate"? NO, I didn't.
I can't believe people would take a perfectly well-intentioned thread and twist it into a threat.

Believe me, it wasn't meant that way.

There are lots of races on lots of ballots. Do you remember what happened with Paul Wellstone? PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM DID NOT GET THEIR VOTES COUNTED.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 02:40 PM
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29. have you considered how many people who won't be able to wait in lines
for 2 hours and decide not to vote are not going to have their votes cast?


There is a reason that the Obama campaign (and every Republican and Democrat campaign in history) pushes for early voting.

You could have a medical emergency you could get into a fender bender.

There are hundreds of things that could end up screwing up your day and making it impossible to vote. You site the one in a million chance and it lacks all logic.


There will be millions of voters who will not vote down ticket on November 4th because they will go to the poll sites see the long lines and give up.


If you can vote early vote now. If you have time on November 4th to vote use that time to help the GOTV instead of waiting in a line to vote.

If you are that paranoid about the one in a million chance of your Senatorial candidate dying in a plane crash get an absentee ballot fill it out and walk it into the precinct and drop it off.

If an asteroid takes out your Senatorical candidate then you can tell the pollworker that you have spoiled your ballot and they will get you a new one. This takes care of your "my candidate fell in a sewer was washed out to sea" condondrum.

vote early. Listen to the Obama campaign.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:41 AM
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37. No shit. There were people who waited 10 & 1/2 Hours to vote in 2004 in Ohio. Of course,
that was only in heavily Democratic areas.

I'm not really sure what the purpose of this OP is, but the premise strikes me as seriously misguided. Better, I should think, to develop some sort of contingency for the unlikely scenarios outlined, than to discourage people from voting in the most convenient fashion available.

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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:11 PM
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27. McCain scenario
Good point about the electors. I wonder, if McCain won the election, and died shortly thereafter (just thinking about his age here, not wishing anything bad on anyone), would Palin be president, or would some other "arrangement" be made for the electors to elect someone else?
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:44 PM
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9. I admit:
I LOLed. :rofl:

Way to give into your fears.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:45 PM
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12. I want to gloat at my Polling Place which is a Private Fundy Christian School
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 12:46 PM by Ichingcarpenter
When I cast my ballot. I think I might even hang around in the parking lot with an Obama sign.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:46 PM
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14. I think there may be too much fluoride in the water up there
Something has your precious bodily fluids seriously out of whack.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:55 PM
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19. Guess what? I give up.
I posted about what I think is a legitimate concern and get a bunch of snarky and disdainful comments. OK, so don't worry about it - even though there are plenty of examples at hand to point out a legitimate concern. Go and vote early. Trust that everything will be great.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:02 PM
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21. I understand what you are saying about the Wellstone incident, but grantcart explained
how the Presidential vote works, I believe he is correct, and your fears should be somewhat tempered, I would think. Vote when you would like to, it is your right to do so. I may wait until the 4th as well.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:06 PM
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23. Who the hell ever mentioned the presidential race?
Everyone is making this leap. We need handy majorities in the Senate and the house. We need governorships. We need to take this country back with a mandate. I am still pissed that Minnesota did not have the machinery in place to allow Mondale a fair election in 2002. I've called King County (and my own councilman) several times to ask them how they factor this in. Guess what? They don't have a plan. Norm Coleman is a terrible Senator and he was not legitimately elected because thousands of people lost their votes. Apparently a lot of people here are just fine with that. Good for them.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:08 PM
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25. LisaM
You are posting in: General Discussion: Presidential

No one is posting about Paul Wellstones' death here - they do it in General Discussion.

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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:10 PM
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26. I am posting about the election in general
which includes a lot of races, from the top down.

You apparently do not care, well, good for you.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 03:58 PM
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30. Sorry.....I was trying to be nice, even. Wow.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 12:55 PM
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20. Yes, stupid, stupid Obama telling people to vote early. If he had only had the advantage
of your wisdom and advice. What would happen to your vote for Obama if he were sucked into a parallel dimension or kidnapped by aliens from outer space?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:03 PM
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22. I never mentioned Obama
apparently you are reading-challenged.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:11 PM
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28. Oh?

From your original post:

"I was shocked to hear Barack Obama encouraging people to vote early. I don't think it's a safe thing to do."


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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:10 AM
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31. Oh, I read just fine, such as when you very clearly stated:
I was shocked to hear Barack Obama encouraging people to vote early.

Sure sounds like you mentioned Obama right there. :shrug:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:13 AM
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33. LOL
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 01:07 PM
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24. It really depends what is most likely to happen in your state.
We are expecting VERY HIGH turnout in Wisconsin. Our county has printed enough ballots for 100% turnout and in Wisconsin you can register on the day of the election. So the most likely thing to happen is a ton of people and lines. The best thing for people to do is vote early and make it a little less chaotic on election day.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:12 AM
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32. WTF!
:wtf: you'd rather people stand in 10 hour lines for 1 machine and get shut out that way?
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:14 AM
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34. I am not voting early either
but for me it is because I really want that magical experience of going out on election day (I have taken off work) and going to the polls, and getting misty eyed as I cast my vote for Barack Obama. Doing it on election day with the long lines and the hustle and bustle... it just seems like a part of it I need. This is going to be a wonderful moment that I plan to tell my children about.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:14 AM
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35. Guess you might as well call Bobby Kennedy down too for suggesting, no TELLING
people to vote early.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:37 AM
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36. Early voting is important for the campaign
It allows the campaign to identify early voters so they have less people to call on when election day actually arrives when they can concentrate on those left who have identified themselves as Democratic supporters who have not voted early. This can and will definitely increase turnout numbers.

The benefit of additional Democratic voters versus the infinitesimal low chance that some candidate might die (which does not apply to presidential candidates unless you are also going to worry about electors dying) would seem like a no brainer to me.

So you are going to vote on election day. Fine, some people would rather do that. But what if you get struck by a bolt of lightening on the way to the polls? Isn't that just as likely as a candidate dying before election day?

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