Biden keeps digging! Says he doesn't regret crazy comment about international crisis.

It was bad enough that he said it last Sunday. But to be defending his crackpot statements 5 days later is a gift to the McCain campaign.

See on the CNN website "Biden defends crisis comments": http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/biden-obama-better-prepared-for-a-crisis-than-mccain/

Biden needs to WITHDRAW his stupid remark about "mark my words" and the international crisis that will test the mettle of President Obama.

The McCain campaign are using Biden's words as the soundtrack of their latest TV ad! And the worst part is I am not in the least bit surprised!

You can watch the ad here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgbS-vy9_Sk

I am incredibly ANGRY with Biden for passing this great propaganda gift to the other team at this crucial stage in the 4th quarter of the campaign.

Nixon and ELVIS on his side. :evilgrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hkIN38qnY

thanks for sharing your concern.

Settle down. If it wasn't this, they'd be pissing about something else.

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Finally - someone else who can see that Biden's public speculation about a generated crisis was not helpful to the Democratic cause.

What Biden said is 100% true and there is no reason at all for him to retract it. Nothing McCain can do at this point to spin anybody's remarks will change anything.

It was 100% fruitcake and 100% helpful to John McCain.

Who exactly is going to generate this "generated crisis"??

Some secret society that has Osama Bin Laden sitting around the kitchen table with the leaders of Iran, Russia and North Korea???

The only thing worse than what Biden said last Sunday is that 5 days later he continues to defend his crazy crackpot allegations.

and will be given the attention it deserves.

:P

together before you spout shit.

:boring:

Joe should keep on doing what he's doing.

No one's watching the news.

of who is elected - tests always come - its called life. He would sound like a politician if he disowned a true comment

Recent presidents have all been "tested" in their first year of office. No matter who the next President is, an attempt will be made.

ANY new president will be tested in the first few months of his term. Bush was (remember 9/11?). The question is how would he react? Biden's point was that Obama would respond in a thoughtful manner instead of panicking like bush diid and threatening to attack every Islamic country on earth.

The right wing media (actually that term is from the Department of Redundancy Department) made a big deal of his statement trying to undermine the Obama campaign but in reality there was no there there.

:sarcasm:

believes that will be Obama.

Biden made a direct link between an Obama victory and an international crisis.

He was NOT talking about what would happen if McCain wins the Whitehouse.


"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," said Biden to a roomful of donors. "The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America."

"Remember I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said," Biden continued. "Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

"I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's going happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/20/biden-predicts-early-crisis-will-test-obama/

and Obama. I notice you chose no to include this tidbit from your link:

"Telling the crowd to "gird their loins" for a bumpy beginning to the next presidential term, Biden said it wouldn't be initially apparent that the correct decisions are being made because "they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Imagine the madness of telling a Democratic crowd that they probably won't like a lot of the decisions that President Obama is gonna make.

Just as I said he did in my original reply.

Oh shoot - you just made me dupe my own response ...

and his clarification on this one as well as the context from your link above regarding "the next President". :hi:

It's the old "what I meant to say" routine.

you are doing here. He clearly said "the next President" would be "tested" - but why consider context when we can defer to Republicans to interpret what Biden means for us, eh?

Any undecided voters would certainly have seen the distinct differences between "Steady Eddy" and "McWildThing" in their respective responses to a crisis.

Welcome. :hi:

Let it go.

:)

Funny how that gets no airtime except on AirAmerica and NovaM.

All Obama has to do is run a commercial with Lieberman saying the same thing. Game over.

just within the last few days. I too wish they would run a commercial with i.

Unfortunately, I have have doubts as to how much it sunk in to people.

Joe Lieberman is not on the Democratic ticket.

At least - not in 2008.

everyone knows every new President gets tested. Myself I would much rather have them test Obama than some crazy old man. If it wasn't that they would find something else, look what they have done with Obama saying we need to spread the wealth around he's a socialist now. That's all they got and it is not working..

Chicken Littles everywhere.

Go Joe!

WE ARE

RUINED!!11 RUNED, i SAY!!!1!!!11111

Chicken Littles everywhere.

Go Joe!

And what he said is completely true - I doubt the American public is so stupid as to finally start falling for McCain's tricks, especially one like this.

Plus provide them with the voiceover for the soundtrack?

The dude was tired and talking nonsense.

No McCain. No Biden. No old guys working 80-hour weeks when they are tired and worn out and should be enjoying retirement!

Its been said by many, many times in the past (including lieb, fwiw.).

Its a TRUISM. Joe speaks truth.

ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., persisted Friday in not commenting on his guarantee Sunday in Seattle that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., would be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in office, despite their Republican rivals using his remarks against them in a new ad.

At a visit to a Charleston, WV, ice-cream shop, Biden ignored a question asking for his reaction to his own words being used against him.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/despite-gop-ad.html


Curious where you are getting your information from.

They showed a video clip where Biden was saying "No I don't regret ..." saying what he said last Sunday.

You can also read about it on the CNN website:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/biden-obama-better-prepared-for-a-crisis-than-mccain/

Lawrence Eagleberger, WHO HAPPENS TO ENDORSE McCAIN.

Obama supporters/voterts don't give a shit about this. They really don't.

It's aimed at mostly white undecideds, swing voters and former Hillary supporters - especially in Penn and Ohio.

now I will hide the thread. FYI, there are NO undecideds. Haven't been for a few week, despite what the media says. PA is done, and so is OH. Trust me on that.

You expect me to accept your predictions about what might happen in the future - just because you say you sincerely believe it?

If as you claim "there are no undecideds" - why is the Obama campaign still running TV ads in swing states?

How about because JOE has been around the block a few times before. How about because HE has seen quite a few presidents come, and go?? You somehow think things in the world will be different?? They won't be. Not for a long time, and if you think that, I have a great piece of land to sell you....

Joe will end up being right about this. It has nothing to do with other countries is my guess, or Obama personally, but something the republicans will come up with to TEST him after he is in office. Joe knows they will play games, and that's why he said it will be a GENERATED crisis, just like the WMD thing was generated.

Now I'm done.

What he said on Sunday was a gift to the McCain campaign. A gift that the GOP has now unwrapped and posted on YouTube for all the world to see.

But perhaps we can agree to disagree? :eyes:

If you'd like to explore why you're wrong I'd be glad to participate, but just know that you are.

How typically Buddhist of you! :sarcasm:

As a Buddhist I understand that everyone has their own karma to work out in their own time and their own fashion. Sooner would be better, but, whenever...

Take your time, you've got lots of it.

:-)

he is right on the mark. It will be nice to have a President and Vice President who "get it." They won't be unprepared. I don't think they will ever speak the phrase "No one could have foreseen."

What's not realistic is the McCain camp's argument that they won't try to push his buttons because he wonce sat in a plane near cuba awaiting orders. Have a drink and chill out.

I am finding it hard to understand why so many DUers seem to believe that Joe Biden is infallible and worship every word that comes out of his mouth.

The fact that Obama had to try spinnig Biden's words into something less harmful should prove that he did not agree with what Joe said on Sunday.

not on my 'concern' list.

them to shut up.

:sarcasm: :eyes:

he concluded when tested, Barack has a spine of steel. Funny how the republican version leaves out his point that Barack is ready and strong.

That's a great reason for undecideds to get behind Obama. NOT.

which said Barack had a spine of steel--apparently this was said multiple times so we both may be right.

There's nothing here for McCain to latch on to. It's a non-issue. Biden has been doing great and if in the millions of great words he's been saying on the campaign trail there be a few minor "gaffes", then fine by me.

I am not aware of this rule that when the USA elects someone younger than 50 to be the new President, all the other world leaders club together and decide to make a generated crisis so they can test the mettle of this guy.

And not be so creative with language. I was fuming this morning when I saw the ad they made out of his comments.

I came here to share my genuine anger and frustration.

Obviously the LAST thing I want to see is a McCain victory.

Have you been noticing the 11s all over this board today! I bet everyone wishes they were you today :hi:

Joe is fine. His comment was fine. it's a dumb argument.

so much to (in)fight about if you're willing to be lead.

Whisper: Biden has a mouth problem
Whisper: Where is Hillary & Bill? What will they say? Did they say it just right?
Whisper: Will Hillary's supporters vote for Obama?
Whisper: Obama has problems with every group except african americans
Whisper: Will the youth actually get out and vote?
Whisper: McCain was leading if not for the economy.

Know who is whispering in your ear and why, because all it will continue to be recycled.

I mean - there's a chance it might work - right? :eyes:

Nor do I blame the McCain campaign for trying to use it.

But, just because it is used or reported in one particular context does not mean you, we, democrats should agree with them.

I am not concerned with what they say anymore. Neither the media or McCain's people have credibility. The proof of that can be seen by what the polls have shown, despite what the media and McCain have put out there.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like that they are using Biden's words but their efforts will fail. One: because of their credibility thus far; two: because of Palin; and three: how McCain handled the financial crisis.

Personally, I like that the topic is out there because we get to have the conversation on our terms.

Be that as it may, my biggest concern is in what I posted before, that most of those issues are meant to divide us from within.

It kind of makes up for all the folks who were so quick to accuse me of being a concern troll, PUMA-type, or McCainiac Freeper. :hi:

Joe Lieberman said the exact same thing a few months earlier. Every President is tested. Every one of them!!!

He said that President Obama will face a "generated crisis" because he is only 46 years old and so someone will want "to test the mettle of this guy".

But it's true that today Biden is pretending that what he meant to say is that every new President gets tested by events that happen in the world.

If he had said that last Sunday - there would be no problem.

He makes an excellent point about new presidents being tested and anyone with half a brain could imagine Sarah Pallin in this position would never ever vote for the McCain Pallin ticket.

There is no reason to keep talking about this 11 days before an election when you are well ahead.

Obama has to be furious!
Edit: Misspelled the number 11. No kidding.

I would love to be listening in when Barack calls Biden and asks him "Now what's this you been sayin', Joe? I mean - didn't we already have this conversation?"

Unfortunately it is too late in the game to pull Biden off the field and replace him with someone like Sen. Clinton, Gov. Sebelius or Michelle Obama.

Obama has his own "gaffe" problems once in a while, hence the recent "spread the wealth" line. He should have know that would be TWISTED as well. Biden was on the mark and people will have to ask them selves who would handle any crisis, manufactured or not, and the answer in the polls is clearly OBAMA not McCrazy. I'm sure Biden and Obama know full well the McCain campaign will be grasping at straws for the next two weeks. They also know the idiot MSM will report on bullshit to make the race tighter, that will sell more advertising. I, will sit and continue to listen to Obama and Biden face the real issues confronting this country.

I don't know why I even bothered to respond, but your concern is noted.

:boring:

I don't agree with you that was a gaffe. It was a profoundly wise and moral response to the widening of inequality in terms of wealth and income between the top 5% of Americans and the rest (especially the bottom 30%).

In Europe, most center-right parties agree with the idea of redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor by means of progressive taxation.

It doesn't mean you are a socialist or a communist.

But there is nothing wrong with democratic socialism. MLK supported it too! B-)

campaign is going to twist it their way in an ad. They take it out of context, or cut and paste remarks to make it look bad. The only way to stop that is if Joe or even Barack didn't say another word until Nov 4, which is ridiculous. I know how you feel though, the ad irritated me too. Just getting sick of the negative crap from McNuts.

blah blah blah

RL

not.

is because he has handled every gaffe of this campaign by NOT lashing out with rage and finger-pointing or going into a panic...there have been numerous from Barack and Michelle on down and whenever the usual suspects went into a tizzy, the Obama campaign reacted with great calm...sometimes acting like you did something wrong is the worst thing you can do...just keep moving forward like it's any other day and most likely it will soon fade away...anybody remember when 'snorey, stinky' was just the worst thing ever...

So he/she sees the impending humiliation of being so utterly wrong on the horizon, and is now holding on to any hope at all that McCain might pull it out.

It is a disturbing and embarrassing spectacle.

I started out the primary season in the tank for Obama, because with Al Gore out of the running, Obama seemed to be the next best thing, notably because of his record of opposition to the invasion of Iraq.

See for example this thread I started on January 24th:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4181905

But then I started shifting towards Hillary on February 14th, when I learned that Obama was refusing to have a one-on-one televised debate with Hillary in the days leading up to the Wisconsin primary on Feb 19th.

You can see me drifting away from Obama here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x93330#93371

But all the time I was rooting for Hillary I made it explicitly clear that I would prefer a "Clinton Obama" ticket in 2008 and 2012, which would set Obama up for taking over the Presidency in January 2017.

So I have always supported Obama being on the ticket in 2008. And I have always said that he will make an excellent Presidential candidate.

It's clear to everybody that you want Obama to lose in order to preserve your dumb pride from the primaries. Your credibility on this board is so far gone that it's hardly worth pointing out anymore.

Pathetic.

Comment never bothered me a bit cause it's true - whomever is elected will be challenged by somewhere.

It's like 10 days til the election and so far we've been pretty damn unified. Let's not give the repukes something for them to try and find division with.