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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:04 PM
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--Did anyone else notice how....somber Eugene Robinson was tonight on KO?---
I felt really bad....I know this thing with Ashley was really bothering him. As it should. He seemed really dejected, and not his usual jovial self. :(
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:05 PM
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1. me too....he was very upset about it.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:32 AM
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46. Double Post. Sorry.
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 02:33 AM by political_Dem

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:05 PM
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2. Yes.
He is an outstanding journalist, and a thoughtful human being. This incident troubled him, for obvious reasons.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:08 PM
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10. I love Eugene....it's just very upsetting.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:05 PM
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3. I noticed that.
This kind of brings back the good 'ol days, doesn't it? He's old enough to remember that shit.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:07 PM
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7. I don't think I have ever seen him so....dejected...
just sheer disappointment. It was almost painful to watch him.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:09 PM
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13. I agree....I was struck by it the first time, and specifically watched
the rerun to see him again....and he seemed to really be holding back too....When Keith asked if McCain's campaign would be remembered for race baiting, he paused and said "....I don't think that's how Fox will portray it...I don't think that's how Drudge will portray it..." I agree with him that, unless McCain cleans some house in PA, there are questions that need to be asked.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:11 PM
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17. ugh, just watched David Gergen on CNN
"This lady obviously has mental problems...she ought to be forgiven and forgotten...small incidents like this are distracting to Republicans who have enough problems as it is"


Forgiven??? Small incident?? God, David Gergen. You fail.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:15 PM
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20. Yeah, I watched the second time too....and then noticed a
level of frustration too. He just has way too much class to really say what he's no doubt like to say.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:06 PM
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4. He was clearly disgusted
..as he should be - this was a disgusting stunt and reminded us of how truly bigoted the Republicans are.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:06 PM
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5. Rachel was very reflective too
In the whole jubilant "we nailed you freeptardz" vibe (of which I am the WORST offender), I think a really serious element of this whole thing has been kinda overlooked.
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soccermomforobama Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:09 PM
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12. The professor from Princeton explained the history of Ashley Todd type
accusations in a very poignant way.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:07 PM
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6. I am hoping Frank Rich's column for this Sunday is not already
in the can. He will have a big ol' time with this, and not spare the racial angle.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:17 PM
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25. I'm wondering what Jon Stewart
will do with it on Monday, too.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:07 PM
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8. I missed it tonight. What happened? n/t
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:11 PM
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16. Him and keith had the 'ashley conversation', and if you know Eugene...
he's always light hearted, and jovial, but serious, but tonight, he was just down. No smiling, no nothing. You could just feel his pain, and see the hurt/disgust in his face. Even though, in my mind he was way over gratutious about Ashley....he said she was troubled and that he hoped she got help, or words to that effect, but was nice about it.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:15 PM
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23. Thanks. Then he is being exceedingly gracious....
I've been a bit out of touch with the news today, but the one report I read on Yahoo left me feeling less than sympathetic to Ashley.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:49 AM
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51. I get the feeling Eugene has had to do this all of his life, and this
time is just one too many. Hopefully, racism and bigotry will now become the biggest fail anyone can display and be called out on it continually. Eugene is sick of it, as a white person, I'm sick of it. He'll be back to his old self soon but who could blame him? Enough already.
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:08 PM
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9. Yes! I did notice that he seemed down, not his usual self. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:09 PM
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11. Yes, he seemed really down about this.....rightfully so.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:09 PM
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14. I think a lot of AAs take this VERY seriously
I know I do. This is not just fun in games. Unfortunately people have been pulling this "it was the black guy!" stunt for decades and that has left countless innocent Americans in jail or even dead. :(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:19 PM
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29. Precisely..that's the crux of it..it goes
way beyond faking an attack and robbery.

And, yeah, it's POlitical.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:41 PM
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37. and if she had been a little more...
attentive to detail there would be one more black man in jail...probably last night. And the tv would be screaming for his head.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:19 AM
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38. It's unforgivable. It could've been my brother
or any number of black men. Other than Eugene, is the media even grasping the implications of this? Seems like they just treated it like, aw gee, it was a hoax. No, it was much worse than a hoax. Black men have been lynched for doing less than this idiot claimed was done to her.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:20 AM
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44. Yes indeed
Hers is the kind of mindset that put Emmitt Till in his grave. Gene was not himself tonight at all, but if I were him, I wouldn't have been, either. There's too much ugliness in American history to laugh this off.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:50 AM
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49. As a Black woman when I heard her claim and story...I became livid.
Then at the same time...a sense of defeat over takes you and the only thing left is to move on.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:11 PM
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15. Ashley Todd Probably Felt Validated By The Lies and Race Baiting of the McCain Campaign
Think about it. Ashley Todd probably respected McCain/Palin, and believed in them. She then saw them engaging in the disgusting attacks on Obama, and the efforts to encourage white voters to vote against Obama due to racism. Ashley Todd probably thought doing what she did was perfectly legitimate according to the standards set by those who she respected.

The Obama campaign should call on McCain/Palin to reject this types of acts.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:12 PM
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18. We should all be bothered - this is the worst kind of racism.
It ties into a racist narrative that takes us back to the worst times in American history. It is beyond shameful. Mr. Robinson was both saddened and eloquent.
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always_saturday Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:14 PM
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19. I noticed. I love Eugene. I emailed him once awhile back to compliment him on one of his columns &
he actually answered me.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:15 PM
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22. cool...what did he say? (it's ok if you don't feel like sharing or can't really remember)
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:15 PM
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21. yes, I noticed it too
I don't blame him. How many times do we have to hear about big, black scary men that don't even exist?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:19 PM
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30. Yeah, and I did watch Rachel tonight....
and not only Susan Smith, who I said Ashley reminded me of last night, but I had forgotten about Charles Stewart?-- I remembered it after she mentioned it. He was another one who I knew was lying from the get go.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:26 AM
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40. Susan Smith, abused by her stepfather from the age of 12. Stefather was Chair ofthe
the republican party there. He was very 'Family values".

Some family values.

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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:30 AM
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45. Susan Smith's step father was also very active in
Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, let us not forget that. Wrapped his abuse up in the flag and the cross.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:16 PM
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24. it is upsetting because it's belittling and implies that black men are animals
that prey on white women.

I'm a middle aged white women and it pisses me the fuck off. It's not like i haven't seen racism in my lifetime, hell i grew up in Massachusetts during busing but i had hoped that a good number of americans had evolved and than something like this happens and it dashes your hope for a little while.

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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:28 PM
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33. So stupid....statistically speaking, blacks don't harm whites...
they harm other blacks. Whites kill/harm more whites than any other race.
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:17 PM
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26. Yes. His voice was quiet and low, heavy, if that makes sense.
Broke my heart. :(
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:17 PM
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27. I hope he writes a great column about it
if he hasn't already. I would love to hear his reaction in more detail.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:17 PM
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28. Yes.
:(

He's my favorite guest and it was very sad to see.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:19 PM
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31. it is particularly sobbering to think what would have happened to this
guy if someone had been caught.

I also find it too close to the wound of the Troy Davis story here in Georgia. This kind of injustice still goes on. Thank god the PA police were on to this and handled the case brilliantly -- but my heart hurts thinking of all of the people in this country who don't get a fair shake because of people like Ashley who feel so entitled to make false accusations. I am sure Ashley wouldn't have dreamed of doing that if she were African American. That is white privilege in process.

It didn't succeed this time -- I celebrate that and hope for more change in a positive direction. But I'm outraged that she played with someone else's life (dark 6'5 African American man) and now certain pundits are saying "it's a small matter". How dare they? How would they like to wear a false accusation for days, as an entire race?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:20 PM
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32. I did notice that, 1corona.
His somber tone struck me hard. Shame on the media for (thus far) not giving this vile stunt the coverage it warrants.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:32 PM
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34. The sentence in which he used the term "blood libel" gave me chills. Then,
when the enormity of what he had just said began to sink in, I wanted to scream in anger at what racism and the exploitation of racism by McCain/Palin is doing to my country.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:10 AM
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42. Blood libel is exactly the term for it. n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:36 PM
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35. Yeah
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 10:36 PM by blogslut
I noticed. It is devastating to realize that America will vote a black man into the presidency yet it is still so full of race-based hatred.
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:38 PM
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36. Yeah... He was probably reliving history
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:23 AM
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39. too many horrible memories were brought up with it
i noticed his sadness also. felt bad for him.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:42 AM
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41. He was hurt, he was humiliated and saddened about how
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 01:45 AM by bluedawg12
accussations about attacks on our prescious white women in the past led to lynching.

I'd say he had reason to be sad.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:10 AM
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43. What I really thought about when I saw Mr. Robinson's face was: HOW LONG?
How long until the next 'harmless hoax' comes along?

I hoped we could get through this election without the unthinking reactionary hatred which causes people to believe someone black did something horrific to someone white. Seriously, the reaction is never rational.

It is the thing that makes the primitive brain take over. My woman? Someone violated one of our women?


Attack.
All of them.
Get all of them.
We can't trust them.
We can't/won't take that chance that Obama will let them loose.


I'm sure Mr. Robinson knows exactly how long it takes to jump from one stage to the next irrational thought based on race hatred.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:34 AM
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47. It was the look of sadness and weariness.
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 03:05 AM by political_Dem
It's that sense of frustration that happens every time a story like this comes on air. It is the moment of witnessing before one's very eyes the accusations of a white person get taken as gospel without any factual truth. And because of white privilege and entitlement, they get a pass if they are found out as false. The bitter sense of irony here is that the girl is going to be all right. She will probably be accepted in society and have a full, scandal-free career due to the simple fact that she is a person who is to be pitied while a six-foot-four tall Black man won't be given the same amount of empathy.

She's not even going to give a care about how her word could have potentially jeopardized the lives of a lot of black people. Even worse, her accusations maybe could have led to some rather violent racialized incidents due to retribution. After all, McCain and Palin set the stage for anger with their hate speech.

It is even more angering that some in the MSM are ignoring the repercussions or laughing it off like it is a big joke.

Believe me, no one in twenty years is going to bring up her name as being the perpetrator of a hoax.

But everywhere members of the dominant culture are going to utter Twana Brawley and Crystal Gail Magnum. They are never going to let Black folks live that down.

I thank the folks who give a damn about this situation. In the larger culture, I doubt people care as much about what this means. :(
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:41 AM
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48. There's much to be somber about
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 02:42 AM by Oak2004
The Todd incident is just the most flagrant example of a very disturbing pattern. I genuinely fear an outbreak of extreme right violence in the next few years. much of it directed at black men and other minorities.

I'm not talking about the freeper crazy talk about white riots -- though I suppose one or more of those could occur, riots by small segments of small segments of the population who hold unpopular views are easily controlled, and only fools plan to riot. I mean the "patriot" movement, on steroids -- a pattern or bombings and sabotage and, yes, lynchings, a pattern of relatively isolated localities with far right elected officials violating the civil rights of minorities on a scale we haven't seen for half a century or more-- domestic terrorism, with the accent on "terror", sometimes operating under color or law, and other times operating with the law turning a blind eye towards offenders. Think bloody, low-grade insurrection, one which might not pose a great threat to the US government, but which poses a great threat to individual Americans.

The extreme right has had eight very good years. They dominate the airwaves. They've captured a major political party. They've been allowed to sniff at the halls of power, and they believe (movie reference fully intended) that tomorrow belongs to them. And rather than gaining the power they believe should by right be theirs, they are watching it all slip away into the hands of, of all people, a black man. In the meanwhile, conservatives who fail to fully grasp either who they have allied themselves with, or how marginal their views really are, have doubled down on trying to incite yet more hatred among these people.

Mix in the personal desperation many in the fringe will be experiencing as a result of the economic collapse. Desperate people do desperate things. Desperate crazy people do unthinkable things.

I am very happy that the fringe right's eight+ year long dance partners are on the verge of being evicted from power. I believe that Obama has the potential to be one of America's great presidents (though obviously the future is up to him, the Congress, and to us). I even harbor a certain glee that my former party may have marginalized itself to death, and that we may well need a new major party to arise to take it's place (I'm betting on a progressive-DLC split, with a new party emerging from within the current Democratic Party).

And I am terrified of the future, given the history of right wing violence in America, and the level of agitation among the right. I've literally lost sleep over what I've been seeing, sat up nights worried for myself, for my friends and family, and for the many people I do not know personally but who will become targets if what I am seeing forming up comes to pass.

I really hope I'm wrong. But I don't think I am.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:54 AM
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50. This nasty campaign has empowered people that are easily
misled into feeling that they are doing things for the good of the country. Blame anybody but the governments mishandling of our country for everything is what they are teaching. This is the same way cults get started. The republicans are playing a dangerous game. They seek to divide this nation and the thought of Obama bringing everyone together is scary to them. I pray we move past this one day and become a better nation.
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