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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:36 PM
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ralph nader just said obama has no political courage
he also called obama a flip-flopper and that he doesn't care about minorities. nadar gave an interview with my local fox affiliate.

will he ever realize he's not relevant anymore?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:37 PM
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1. Ralph Nader can come up here to Maine and hump a Moose for all anyone cares !
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:38 PM
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4. don't subject a moose to that
poor moose
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:41 PM
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10. I beleive he did that in 2000, just before he screwed the rest of us. n/t
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:37 PM
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2. A sad little man.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:39 PM
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5. i think that's an understatement
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:38 PM
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3. Who?
Is that the guy from The Honeymooners?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:40 PM
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6. Ralph can suck me
.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:44 PM
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13. you want him that close to your bits?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:40 PM
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7. Ralph Nader has confined himself to irrelevancy....
...he's become a sad caricature.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:40 PM
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8. Just a sad little man grasping at delusions of relevance. Edit: Wow, beaten to every word.
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 10:41 PM by Occam Bandage
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:47 PM
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19. This Ralph?
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 10:47 PM by DontTreadOnMe
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ROh70 Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:41 PM
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9. Ralph who?
He jumped the shark in 2000.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:42 PM
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11. The truly sad thing is that Ralph used to make so much sense, but now he's just
a crank. He had the courage to call them all out for hypocrisy but not the sense to play enough of the game. That is to say, you have to play the game if you want to remake the game.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:45 PM
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14. i was thinking the same thing as i typed the op
and he just kept on pushing
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:05 PM
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31. Well said. Think of how the primaries would've been if he and Kucinich had double-teamed everyone.
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 11:06 PM by calmblueocean
I think if Nader had been able to come to terms with the idea of actually being a Democrat and supporting the party, he could've been enormously influential.

If he had played his cards right in 2000, he might have been able to demand the Attorney General position in a Gore administration. In 2004, he still could've negotiated himself an important regulatory position in the FDA or OSHA or wherever he felt he could do the most good.

We all would've benefited if he did. Instead, he's continued to run these increasingly quixotic campaigns that get less and less media attention, and often seem simply irrelevant. Worse, they're self defeating.

Nader complains endlessly that the two parties are basically the same. (Even after 8 years of Bush.) But the only way to change the party is to get involved in it. In an alternate universe, a wiser Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich might have been able to pull the party more strongly towards some of his positions, most of which I think are pretty darn good: http://www.votenader.org/issues/

I think seeing two passionate, intelligent, articulate progressives on stage would've done a lot to set the tone of the primary debates. What did Nader get out of running as an independent instead? Nothing. What's he been able to accomplish with any of his runs other than contributing to Gore's defeat in 2000?

Nader's story is like a Greek tragedy. He's one of the smartest advocates for social justice and good government our nation has ever produced. He's saved millions of lives. But in the final years of his career, he's beached his ship on the rocks. It's a sad thing to watch. It really is.

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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:34 PM
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40. Well, you just said it so much better. A tragedy indeed. He was not meant to
change from the top, he could have been so much more powerful from within. In fact, he derived his power by inserting himself into regulatory systems where he had not authority. He was successful because of incredible due diligence and his ability to hold bad public policy up to the light of day. It's what Al Franken calls political jujitsu.

Very, very sad that he did not know his own power. Very human too, I suppose.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:42 PM
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12. Wait...didn't someone let Nader know that "flip-flopper" was the *2004* meme?
C'mon, Ralph. Get with the program.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:45 PM
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15. He's sounding a bit like McSame.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:46 PM
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16. Fuck that loser Nadar. He's never had anything going for him.
He's been running for president like, FOREVER...fucking loser.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:46 PM
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17. where did you find him?
Is some actual news outlet still giving him air time?
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:50 PM
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22. denver fox affiliate
i was amazed they interviewed him...i'm sure it's the only one he's done all year. they've also got an interview with mcshame, but not obama
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:46 PM
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18. and ralph nader couldn't win an election if his life depended upon it
The majority of Americans have given their thumbs down on nader

bush is more popular than he is

who is nader?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:54 PM
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23. yeah really...I've never heard why..
he doesn't run for a Congress or Senate seat.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:59 PM
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27. Because he believes he should be President, albeit about the only one who does /nt
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:49 PM
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20. If Nader had any political courage, he'd run for an office he had a chance to win.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:16 PM
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38. Bingo. Could he be elected State Representative? n/t
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:50 PM
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21. Fuck Ralph Nader. I fucking HATE that publicity seeking caricature of a human being.
I don't hate man people.. but Nader and his fucking "Oh, bush and Gore are the same thing" bullshit didn't work out exactly that way, now did they? That irrelevant POS needs to dry up and go away. Anyone stupid enough not to see him for the media prostitute he is, and for the sham he is, deserves the Country we'll get if he succeeds with this bullshit.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:55 PM
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24. Dear Ralph: You look thirsty.
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 10:55 PM by Blondiegrrl
How about a nice, cold glass of STFU.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:55 PM
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25. Ralph, do us all a favor and shut up and go back to being a consumer advocate, better yet
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 10:55 PM by Jennicut
just go away. You ceased being relevant, oh 8 years ago.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:58 PM
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26. Ralph go rent a Corvair and DRIVE IT OFF A CLIFF
God you are annoying
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:00 PM
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28. do his followers see he is crazy yet?
what an idiot.

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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:02 PM
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29. In Ralph's mind no one is more qualified than him. If Ralph had
any courage he would endorse the candidate that's best for the country and stay out of politics for the rest of his life. He's nothing but a loser.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:04 PM
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30. And there's no difference between Gore and Bush, either...
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:06 PM
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Ralph who????????
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:06 PM
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32. I hate that man.... I hate that he has chosen to sell himself out for ego and money....
He's made a retirement out of electing Republicans. The man has become a disgrace. It's really sad, because there was once a time in history when he stood for something good. That day has long passed.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:09 PM
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33. And Nader is, after all, a genius, politically....
:sarcasm:
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EastTennesseeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:10 PM
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34. Obama has no political courage?
And Nader has no political talent.

Fuck him.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:11 PM
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35. Insane at any speed. n/t
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:12 PM
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36. Ralph take your Aricept
and shut the fuck up.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:14 PM
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37. I think he's senile. Once upon a time, he did some great things...
but, he made a big mistake in 2000 and he just keeps repeating it.

Very sad for him and our country.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:17 PM
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39. Would somebody feed him a heap of diarrhea?
He's SO full of shit!
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:48 PM
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41. Well Ralph Nader's courage gave us George W Bush
BTW, I guess Ralph Nader cares about minorities more than Obama doesn't he? So much so that he helped elect a President whose compassion and empathy toward minorities has been so evident over the past eight years:sarcasm:

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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:51 PM
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42. Nader's time has come and gone.
All that is left is the arrogance of himself and his supporters. We are in the midst of a fight for the very soul of this country and this man can do nothing more but to play both sides against the middle--all the while taking GOP cash.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:51 PM
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43. Can I slap that bitch?
'Cause that bitch fuckin' needs it.
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NHDEMFORLIFE Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:52 PM
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44. The alarm has been ringing on Nader's 15 minutes for about 25 years n/t
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