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I still say there has to be more intellegent people in America than stupid.

but grossly misinformed by the corporate media hos'.

adn they applaud the lie. adn they lie right along with their party

let him get away with this half-assed explanation.

a rebuttal for it right away.

That became perfectly clear today.

and repeat them constantly to put Cheney and Bush and all republicans on the defensive concerning this statement.

If a democrat had said this, the republican party would make it one of their talking points for the next one hundred years. Every republican politician in the country and every republican pundit and every republican letter writer or talk show caller would attack such a statement 24/7 right up until the last poll closes on election day. And republicans would not do it by saying that the statement was an attack on or an unfair criticism of the other candidate.

Republicans would say:

This is an outrageous and lying slander against the men and women in the United states military who are willing to give their lives to protect this country. This is an outrageous and lying slander against the men and women in the intelligence and law enforcement communities who have chosen to devote their lives to protecting this country. This is an outrageous and lying slander against the men and women in the Department of Homeland Security who work hard and make many sarifices to protect this country. This is an outrageous and lying slander against the men and women in the United States Congress who are responsible for funding and exercising oversight over all of these people and their employers. To suggest that any one of these people would choose not to do their duty to protect America based upon the outcome of an election in which tens of millions of patriotic American citizens will vote for each candidate proves that Cheney will do and say anything, not to protect America, but to protect his own job.

That's why Edwards response was absolutely perfect.

"Cheney crossed the line. Cheney used scare tactics. What Cheney did was un-American."

Absolute perfection.

The point that was being made is that it should become a major Democratic talking point, when in all probability, it will be a one-day story.

We are given gifts by these gaffes, but if we don't take advantage of them, they are wasted gifts.

It's Wolf Blitzer, and Brian Williams, and their whore editors!!

It's the MEDIA, stupid!!

"This is an outrageous and lying slander against the men and women in the United states military who are willing to give their lives to protect this country," was used repeatedly, which of course was the point of the original post.

Bush's "Catastrophic Success" gaffe was a gift from the gods, yet we failed to take advantage of it. It's not complicated, just simple word-association.

"Bush's war was a catastrophic failure."
"Bush's war was a complete and utter failure."
"Bush is a complete and utter failure."

Repeat, stir and shake until the mere mention of Bush is immediately associated with failure.

Your point is well-taken.

Kerry and Edwards could read your post word-for-word and if the media don't cover it, it isn't worth jack-shit.

Our message problems aren't the fault of our campaign or our party. IT'S THE MEDIA, stupid - to borrow the Big Dog's formulation.

The media doesn't make Kerry's surrogates say stupid or useless things.

We can make this a talking point anytime a Democrat speaks to the media. REPITITION WORKS.

Whining about the media isn't going to win one vote, especially when we don't have our representatives doing all they are perfectly capable of doing, even with the media bias.

Instead, we should TRUST these scum to eventually - someday, maybe AFTER the election - report what Kerry and Edwards and the rest of the Dems HAVE BEEN REPEATING FOR MONTHS.

And what stupid or useless things have our surrogates been saying, exactly?...

If angry letters and emails were enough to change the corporate owned media, we would be leading by double digits.

This goes beyond what Kerry/Edwards say and do. Instead of complaining about what we already know about media bias, why not use proven strategies for dealing with the media? Like taking statements that Cheney made and making them talking points for EVERY DEMOCRAT that speaks to the media; on tv, in the papers, wherever. We can keep a story alive simply through endless repetition, the rethugs have proven this a hundred times. It's not just media bias, it's the Dems refusing to use the media in a conscious and determined way for our own gain.

Stupid things the surrogates have been saying? How about criticizing the Kerry campaign, on the record, to the major media recently? "He's had a bad August", he "doesn't have a clear message". Real helpful.

Are you satisfied with the consistency and aggressiveness of Kerry's spokespeople and surrogates in the media? Do you think they are doing a bang-up job in their interviews? I certainly don't.

...you're accusing them of doing. Realistically - do you think that bashing our side is going to (a) get you heard by the campaign? or (b) deflate morale amongst the rank-and-file? Unless you're Howard Dean, I pick (b).

What's more, a lot of their failure to "bang-up" to your standards is the fact that the filter is on. The mass media doles out minor snippets of what is actually said. Do you remember hearing anything about the Congressional Black Caucus' challenge to the 2000 election when it happened, or did you have to learn about it from F911?? If you're like me, it's the latter. This happens ALL THE TIME.

And no, if angry letters and emails were enough to change the corporate owned media, we WOULDN'T be leading by double digits. The Cons are MUCH, MUCH better at playing that game than we are. Don't forget, "the corporate-owned media" are corporate - that means they're going to do whatever sells. And when we don't speak up, they don't think our point of view sells.

When you or I post on an internet board, it's in no way the same thing as our supposed representatives trashing Kerry's campaign on CNN or to the NYT. I'm not giving the media talking points, and they aren't trolling DU for them, either.

When I post criticism of the campaign it's because a) it's a discussion forum and b) sometimes the Kerry folks do look in here, so what the hell.

The rethugs are good at their game, I agree, that's why I've been saying we need to learn their effective tactics rather than just bitch about the media. But there is also no way that they could be as successful as they are without media whores working for them. And their interests go beyond simply "giving people what they want", they have a broad agenda. You also have to realize that for every email we send, the freepers are sending one, too. It is easy for those on the receiving end to come to the conclusion that they are being fair since they piss off both sides and I've heard this exact excuse countless times from the media.

we don't trip over you

respond to things with a fraction of the disciplined organization and purpose that republicans always have.

waited until the Repug he had on defended the statement and blathered on about how Dems were soft on terrorists and how they want us to win so they can kill us all. Then after he'd let Repug & Bill Press have their say, Keith read the quote from Cheney's press secretary where Dick back-pedaled. It was a great moment.

Cheney's statement last night and each one of the democrats said a different thing. So the democrats got 4 or 5 different messages out to a few different groups of a few hundred thousand voters each.

Republicans all would be saying the same thing and would repeat it for several news cycles. And they would not wait for the media to ask them a question on the topic. Nothing is more common than to see 10 or 15 different republicans interviewed on 10 or 15 different shows during a 24 hour period and to hear each and every republican say the exact same thing, using the exact same words, even using the exact same emphasis and punctuation. And they say it regardless of the topic of the question or the discussion. If the question is about jobs the republican first comments on Kerry's position on Iraq (if that is the current talking point), if the question is about taxes the republican first comments on Kerry's position on Iraq, if the question is about hurricanes the republican first comments on Kerry's position on Iraq. The democrats have chosen not to do this. I think that cedes too much control of the agenda to the republicans.

you and chimpy did to keek us safe before 9/11.

You blew it Mr. Cheney and dared to open up the can of worms were you are most vulnerable.

"...and all your piety and wit can call it back to cancel half a line. Nor all your tears wash out a word of it.":nopity:

Call Kool Aid Karl to fix it, hurry!!!

(edited out all the blah from Drier)

Cheney Flip Flop

Regarding VP Cheney's recent comments which links a Kerry win to future terrorist attacks. Seems to me Mr. Cheney has some memory problems.

Who was in the white house on September 11, 2001 when we were attacked? Who disregarded a report that say Bin-Laden determined to attack? Who sat in a classroom for 7 minutes while we were being attacked? Who invaded Iraq and thereby boosted terrorist recruitment? Who's taxcuts have caused fire houses to close, towns to lay off police and other first responders? Who hasn't adequately funded Homeland security that leaves our borders and ports wide open? Who raises the alert levels? Who was against Homeland Security then was for it? Who was against a 9-11 investigation then was for it? Who blames the FBI, the CIA, and everyone else for failing to adequately protect the country? Who was against the 9-11 Commission recommendations then was for it?

With our current state of Homeland Security and the president being wishy-washy on these related problems -- I have no doubt that we will have another terrorist attack.

Every terror alert or warning is a reminder of Bush's miserable failures to adequately protect us.