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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:03 AM
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PNAC
Y'know, I have to say something.

I am SO confused.

I first heard about PNAC on this board a few weeks ago and it was like a light bulb went off in my head. Suddenly all the missing pieces fell into place about Iraq.

So, I pass around the link and told people. The people that I know had never heard of it. They're shocked about it.

I don't understand. Why isn't this like a really, big, huge deal? Why isn't PNAC in the news? Why has no one ever heard of it? Why? WHY?!?? WHY!??!?!

Was this brought up in the media in the past and I missed it? I mean Jesus what gives??
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:05 AM
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1. pnac, son of aipac, is protected by big media n/t
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:07 AM
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2. But
the info is RIGHT THERE ON THE WEB!!!!
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:10 AM
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5. Using the WEB takes work, FOX is so much easier
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:11 AM
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6. Rebuilding America's Defenses (circa 1997). Perle, Wolfowitz, Woolsey
Kristol anda host of others PNACers were pushing for the Iraq war an more.

Go back and read that.

www.newamericancentury.org
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zaj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:08 AM
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3. Was mentioned tangently once on 60 Minutes I think, but was not a focus.
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:09 AM
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4. When this country gets a Media the public will learn WTF is going on
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:14 AM
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7. I first heard about it
a little before the Iraq invasion. Scared the shit out of me and pissed me off at the same time.

Then, a few months ago, I learned about the Dominionists (from here on DU). That one is even more frightening. Google it...it's over 30 pages, but well worth the read.

As to why PNAC isn't big news...it does get talked about on occasion with the cable news shows. The Neocons usually equal PNAC. But why isn't it 'big' news? I think it's because it lends itself to a conspiracy theory. The majority of people dismiss 'conspiracy theory' out of hand and refuse to listen or do any research when something comes out with that label.

It's been good for the neocons that it's been labelled as such, IMO, because it's discounted as bunk immediately. People just don't or can't be open-minded enough to consider it when that happens.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:18 AM
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8. Pat Buchanan was going after
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 02:20 AM by shraby
the PNAC guys tonight, but only calling them neocons instead of what he should be saying.

Most of them belong to AIE also.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:22 AM
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12. Buchannan was careful to steer clear of the "I" word because of his
history of anti-semitism.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:19 AM
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10. Tony Blair called those who were beginning bring attention to PNAC
"internet conspiracy theorists." This was a month or two before the invasion of Iraq.

France, Germany, Russia, China were all aware of PNAC and that's why they didn't come on board.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:28 AM
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14. John Major is a member of PNAC. I'm thinking it's in Blair's future, too.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:31 AM
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15. When Kerry is elected, PNAC will go dormant. Only to rise with the next
stooge of a president.
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:38 AM
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17. We can only hope the neocons will be so discredited
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 02:54 AM by TA
under the Bush Administration that they will be forever gone. There's already signs of major infighting in the party. But one should remember many of them started under Scoop Jackson (D) of Washington State.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:44 AM
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19. Dino-saurs are doomed. Next stop: extinction.
:hurts:
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:42 AM
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18. Whoa! I never heard of the "dominionists"
They seem very well connected and just as frightening as the neocons! I googled it. Oh my gosh. We have a lot of trouble now don't we?:scared:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:19 AM
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9. Posted this in GD but it deserves a post here...
I saw a great documentary tonight titled HIJACKING CATASTROPHE (friends of mine are distributing it to theatres and gave me a copy). It gives an excellent overview of the Project for the New American Century ... its history, its goals, and insight into the propaganda employed in forwarding those goals. Narrated by Julian Bond it includes interviews with a lot of familiar and welcome people... Scott Ritter, Norm Soloman, Medea Benjamin, Noam Chomsky, Norman Mailer, Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Michael Franti and many others. It is an excellent companion to F9/11 in that it supplies the understory to the broad themes that Mike portrayed. I highly recommend this film. It is great on revealing the psychological warfare that is being perpetrated against us.
Here is a schedule of it's upcoming showings. (If anyone would like to see this film in their town and has the ability to get it shown, please send me a message and I can get you in touch with the distributers.)
AUGUST
•Roxie Cinema, San Francisco, CA
•Clinton St. Theatre, Portland, OR
•Christopher B. Rafael, San Rafael, CA

SEPTEMBER
•Lascaux Micro Cinema, Buckhannon, WV - every Fri. in Sept.
•Intern. World Media Fest. (at Visions) Washington, D.C – Sept. 7
•Visions Cinema, Washington D.C – opens Sept. 10
•Cinema Village, New York, NY – opens Sept. 10
•The Screen, Sante Fe, NM – opens Sept. 17
•Independent Weekly Screenings,Raleigh/Durham/Chapell Hill, NC – Sept. 14/15/16

OCTOBER
•Cleveland Cinemas, Cleveland, OH – opens early Oct. (tba)
•University Film Society Minnesota Film Arts, Minneapolis, MN - opens Oct. 1
•Railroad Sq. Cinema, Waterville, ME – opens Oct. 1
•The Guild Cinema, Albuquerque, NM – Oct. 1/2/3
•Naro Cinema, Norfolk, VA – Oct. 26
•Minnesota Film Arts (Bell Auditorium), University of Minnesota - opens Oct. 1
•Music Box Theater, Chicago, IL – opens Oct. 15
•Coolidge Corner, Boston, MA – opens Oct. 22
•Pickford Cinema, Bellingham, WA – opens Oct. 22
•Key Cinema, Indianapolis, IN - opens Oct. 22
•DMAC, Orlando, FL – mid to late October
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:21 AM
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11. Now if you would like to learn more about the neocons go here
At this site click on the "heads" to read about their bios. Also has links on what neocons are. As I like to say "Know Thy Enemy".


http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:25 AM
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13. They say it's just another conspiracy theory ...


:eyes:
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:37 AM
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16. Good point: We who know of the PNAC forget many people don't . . . nt
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:45 AM
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20. PNAC info IS out there, takes very little digging--& it's up to each of us
it's up to each of us to get the word out.
back around when Bush first invaded Iraq I started publishing links about PNAC--have been reviving the site but apologize that I haven't gotten to update this particular page yet--but there is still a lot of solid info here, to start with and pass on.

http://blatanttruth.org/foreign.php

Letters to the editor, posting on message boards and forums, leaving articles in waiting rooms and buses and trains, starting a blog, etc. etc.--it's all needed--if the media is not going to publicize it enough, We The People will.
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