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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:34 AM
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Those of you who are so hungry for revenge against the Republicans...

...do you honestly think that Obama will be after what you seek, assuming he wins?
I'm pissed off and sick of the Republicans, too, but I know that realistically that Obama isn't interested in complete partisanship. In fact, Obama has made it very clear that he plans on working with the Reps. For better or worse. Besides, even if we DID have the opportunity to make them suffer, do you think that's what mainstream Americans really want? It isn't. They want jobs. They want health care. They want the war in Iraq to be over. They want the economy to be stabilized. If the Republicans get in the way of these changes, then by all means their asses are going to be kicked. However, I think Obama's priorities are going to be healing this nation.

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:35 AM
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1. I have no problem asking for their opinion while giggling sarcastically then

Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 09:35 AM by Guy Whitey Corngood

completely ignoring it for the next 8-16 years.

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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:36 AM
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2. I'm with you.

I didn't say we had to actually IMPLEMENT what they want. Just pretend that we care. :D

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:39 AM
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6. Of course we don't have to be outright dicks about it. We can just laugh uncontrollably

once they leave the room and pass the type of legislation we damn well please. Shit give them a cookie or something for their "input".

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RC

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:37 AM
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3. And so we let the criminals go free once again.

That worked really well last time didn't it. :banghead:

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blm

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:58 AM
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17. Not let them go free - Obama's job at that point is to COOPERATE with access to documents

but, he shouldn't be the investigator....that's senate and congressional duty. And I see Kerry and Kucinich ready to go on that. And if Reid tries to block it, I hope Durbin pushes him aside.

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Buzz Clik

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:38 AM
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4. Getting your angst on early, Elrond? We can worry about shaping the administration AFTER voting.

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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:22 AM
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20. yeah, you're probably right.

:)

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Buzz Clik

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:47 PM
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28. The first to do this so far was Rache Maddow.

Her analysis of her interview with Obama was straight down the line of "is he left enough?" She surmised correctly that Obama will be more centrist than leftist, but I was a tad frustrated with her timing on all of this.

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demo dutch

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:39 AM
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5. Complete partisanship would ruin an Obama presidency! & we'll be back to square one if that happens

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sarge43

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:42 AM
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7. That's all well and good for President Obama.

He's that kind of man and he will be president of us all. It's what he'll have to do. However, do you think the Republican are going to feel the same? That they are going to support him for the good of the country? When has the Republican Party given an obese rodent's hindquarters for the good of this country?

You're right. Obama and the majority of the people want the healing to begin. You really think the Republicans do?

I don't want revenge, but I do believe some justice is long over due.

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AngryAmish

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:44 AM
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8. He won't take revenge -- We will

it is up to us, as citizens, to cleanse our nation of every Rethuglikkkan man, woman and child.

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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:25 AM
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22. Cleanse? How do you mean?

The best way to put an end to Republicanism is with our votes.

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liberalMOmama

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:46 AM
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9. The best revenge for me would be

that most of them come around to becoming more progressive. Enough to completely crush the Religious Right at least. My problem isn't so much with Republicans but what the RR has done to the Republican party.

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treestar

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:48 AM
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10. Not revenge, but they do need to be taught a lesson

About not dividing the country ever again.

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Bubbha Jo

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:49 AM
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11. I'm not into revenge. I just want change. n/t

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barack the house

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:53 AM
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12. Yes, in saying it won't happen it isn't saying we don't want it. It's just not practical in the >

politcal climate. Just that simple really. Sometimes you can only be real.

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elocs

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:53 AM
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13. Obama will not be vengeful or vindictive much to the disappointment of many here.

He will be a powerful enough president to reach out to Republicans and work with them, but not be bullied or intimidated by them. If Obama names a Republican to his cabinet, wait for the exploding heads here at DU.

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WinkyDink

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:54 AM
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14. Last I looked, I wasn't Obama's clone.

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mmonk

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:57 AM
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15. It doesn't matter in the end what Obama wants in reference to revenge.

Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 09:57 AM by mmonk

It matters what we the people do. The abuses simply can't be swept away without correction or education. I will not be silent.

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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:23 AM
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21. But do 'we the people' feel the same way as WE THE DUER'S do?

I'm not sure.

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mmonk

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:31 AM
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25. I will just ask and say the following.

Did the Civil Rights Act or women's suffrage advance through silence from the people? The greatest threat to freedom and justice derives from a lack of recognition of what freedom and justice are.

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BeFree

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Sun Nov-02-08 01:07 PM
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38. Right Fucking On!!

Our silence got us the war in Iraq, Clinton impeached and allowed them to get away with murder. We have found our voice and if the pubbies don't like it.... well, too damn bad. They've screwed us over for the last time!

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stillcool

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Sun Nov-02-08 09:58 AM
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16. I want the criminals..

behind bars. I want the liars, cheats, and thieves to be stripped of power, regardless of party label. I want the media held accountable for their aiding and abetting of crimes against the American people.

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jonnyblitz

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:06 AM
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18. not wanting to embrace them or their ideology does NOT

equal REVENGE. jesus. :eyes:

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derby378

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:22 AM
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19. We need to show the world that America is capable of taking out the trash

And that means we're going to have to dismantle, shred, and burn everything - everything - that reminds us of George W. Bush. We're gonna have to turn a little French Revolution on the Republicans. Not to the point where we unveil a guillotine, mind you, but I think Reaganomics and the Bush Doctrine are in need of a final burial.

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Obamarama

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:27 AM
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23. Before you can heal a festering wound, you have to get rid of the source of the infection.

Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 10:28 AM by KzooDem

Republican are the pus inflaming the boil on this country's collective ass.

I'm all for coming together and going forward....EVENTUALLY. But don't think for a minute I'm ready to say "Okay, we won this thing, lets all be friends now."

There has to be some acknowledgement from the other side of the aisle that they have pretty much run this country into the ground, and then there has to be humility and an asking for forgiveness. THEN we can talk about holding hands and singing Kumbaya and giving everyone a Coke and singing in perfect harmony.

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lonestarnot

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:34 AM
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27. And the only way to get rid of that boil is to puncture the pus bag and drain it and apply

antiseptic continuously! Rush Limpballs knows all about those ass boils!

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crossroads

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:51 PM
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31. Yes! True that!

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WeDidIt

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:28 AM
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24. Just winning will be the sweetest revenge of all.

After that, the DOJ will do its job. If they have evidence of crimes, prosecutions will follow.

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LittleBlue

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Sun Nov-02-08 10:33 AM
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26. I have no problem with them as long as our agenda is passed

and not theirs.

No war, health care, and the economy are more important than all of this other stuff.

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Ichingcarpenter

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:49 PM
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29. I don't want revenge I want Justice and Obama believes in that

I want the criminals in the Bush cabal investigated and prosecuted
Justice isn't about revenge.

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MichiganVote

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:51 PM
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30. Second that.

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Waiting For Everyman

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:53 PM
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32. I don't want revenge, I want them PROSECUTED.

Mainstream America wants JUSTICE and so do I.

What do you expect Obama to say - that he won't work with them? That's a giveaway statement. One thing he isn't - stupid.

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La Lioness Priyanka

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:54 PM
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33. obama has promised a moderate candidacy,,, making laws/policy on things we can all agree on

he is not out to seek vengeance or to aggravate the moderates on either side

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iiibbb

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Sun Nov-02-08 12:56 PM
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34. Short term vs. Long term thinking.

I can see this playing out two ways. Democrats taking Obama's lead and a taking a bipartisan tact toward Democratic goals that will result in his reelection, and further Democratic elections.

Or they could throw a match on this tinderbox and make 2012 look like 2000 and 2004 all over again.

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GoesTo11

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Sun Nov-02-08 01:03 PM
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35. We should do what's right, and it will feel like revenge

Repairing the voting system, the tax system, the nation's priorities, cutting off profiteers, investigating major crimes, and shining the light of open government on them. All this will make the country better. The Republicans will scream that this is revenge but it's not, it's just forward looking.

That's not the same as doing to them what they would do to us. We don't need a politicized justice department investigating opponents for bogus charges. We don't need huge no-bid contracts to friends of Democrats. We just need to do what's right.

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BeFree

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Sun Nov-02-08 01:04 PM
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36. If the republicans?!?!?

IF?What do you mean IF?

They have always gotten in the way, and us being nice, they got their way.

We are taking our country back, if you haven't heard, and there are going to be some big changes. First we tell the idiots what they've been telling us: America, love it or leave it. I love it and never left, and finally it's come back to me.

And are you suggesting we just follow Obama like a bunch of puppies? Whatever he does we just fall in line? Gawd!!

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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 02:28 PM
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40. I'm not saying we should just follow whatever Obama does.

But he will be the effective leader of our party and our country. He, and those closest to him, will set the agenda. We can contribute our ideas, we can protest, we can speak with our voices and our votes, but in the end, it will be up to them to decide to do the right thing or what course to take.

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olegramps

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Sun Nov-02-08 01:07 PM
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37. How do you compromise with the devil?

Every major issue, including outsourcing, Iraq war, unemployment, job creation, national debt, vote suppression, hugh tax breaks for the wealth, etc., etc. to ad nauseam are the creation of the Republicans when they controlled congress. These issues are not not subject to compromise since the Republicans rubber stamped each and every one of these ripoffs.

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Gman2

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Sun Nov-02-08 01:15 PM
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39. McCain keeps claiming to be a change agent. He can be an

agent of name change. The REPUBLICAN PARTY should be expunged. That leaves almost any name they want. That party, like the nazi party, is deemed dangerous to it's host country. Like a PATHOGEN. Usher in the conservatives to our cause. With very limited influence on basic beliefs. The religious, sexist, racist, homophobic classist republicans in society, must feel the hot flash of stigma. Much like Bill Bennett lectured us incessantly. They must be Dixie Chicked. By one and all. Soon, they too can join polite society. By keeping their toxic, anti-intellectual, blinkered existence to themselves. Our constitution protects freaks that want to isolate. It does not offer them dominance over all others. Those that would dearly love a benevolent dictator, right now named Jesus, cannot be allowed to subvert democracy by preferring an ignorant, old, white, ignorer of the constitution. That is morally treasonous.

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panzerfaust

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Sun Nov-02-08 02:40 PM
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41. World Socialist Site has an opinion on how it will likely be ...

Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 02:43 PM by panzerfaust

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/obam-n01.shtml

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has begun to back away from his promises of social change, even before balloting concludes on Election Day next Tuesday. The Democratic Party is favored to win the White House and increased majorities in both the House of Representatives and Senate on November 4.

In both interviews and press accounts, the Democrats have sought to lay the basis for a repudiation of their election promises. The London Times reported Friday, "Barack Obama's senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week's election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve. The sudden financial crisis and the prospect of a deep and painful recession have increased the urgency inside the Obama team to bring people down to earth."

The candidate himself has taken the lead in expectation-lowering...

I think they are correct in their analysis.

Why yes, I am a left-wing democrat.

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Danger Mouse

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Sun Nov-02-08 04:04 PM
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42. They're probably right.

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Oak2004

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Sun Nov-02-08 04:51 PM
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43. The way I see it is this:

From now until the 4th, I am an Obama supporter.

From the 5th onward, I'm the loyal left of center opposition, who pressures the Obama administration and the Democratic majority in Congress to do the right thing (including supporting primary challengers against the worst of Democratic incumbents).

You can't "heal" the nation unless you first do right. Coverups don't heal, they polarize and empower future criminality. I agree though it's important to distinguish between those who were actively guilty of crimes and who should be brought to justice, right wing extremists (theocrats, militant racists, skinheads, "militia" types, etc.) who should be treated as a threat and pushed back to the political margins where they belong, and Republicans as a whole (who are "guilty" only of stupidity, and who do need to be welcomed as fellow citizens).

I'm fine with my role as a member of the left opposition.

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