I smell a RAT (3d Infantry Division)

On October 1, 2008, President Bush deployed the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division -- three to four thousand battle-hardened warriors -- to...somewhere in the United States. Their original stated mission according to Army Times was 'crowd control' and 'subduing unruly individuals.'

They have lethal and nonlethal technologies and tanks. After some questions were raised -- not, I note, by anyone in the mainstream media, which has bizarrely ignored this massive subversion of 200 years of our having been protected by the 1807 Insurrection Act and by 1879's Posse Comitatus from being policed at home by military forces -- the Northcom PR people changed the stated goal of the mission to 'protecting communities affected by weapons of mass destruction.'

Still, I would have thought, a story -- and so thank the hundreds of citizens who are contacting me trying to find out more. For those commentators who do not yet think our liberties are at risk, I would direct their attention to the use of military forces as a source of intimidation of voters in a closely held election that is characteristic of closing societies around the world.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/28/is_this_america/

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The 3rd infantry division is active duty.

They couldn't get deployed short of full martial law.

Bush wouldn't pull that stunt, Obama would have him tried so quick.

this has been spread a hundred times before.


All stateside units have some domestic function while they are resting and training. Some of those are going to be for domestic crowd control..

In the event of rioting the national guard is always called out first.

you forget who is squatting in the WH, don't you?

In the event of rioting the national guard is always called out first.

You must have something better to do with your paranoia.



Besides everything else that is wrong about this post is the fact that you are insulting the integrity of the American military.



You are the mirror to the nutcases that post at the Free Republic. They have their nuts and we have ours, fortunately the ratios here are much smaller than they have.

the professional military.

Does paranoid and ignorant of history ring a fucking bell?

These troops live in a bubble.

These are the soldiers who are trained to hate "ragheads" and "Hajis" in order to make abusing them and killing them much more palatable.

They know what their trainers let them know.

These are the people who will tell you utter nonsense with all sincerity.

These are the people who went to Iraq with pictures of the WTC taped to their lockers, thinking they were avenging 9-11 by killing Iraqis.

Sure, they'll do what they're told.

After all, what's wrong with shooting at a bunch of "liberals who hate God and hate America and spit on the troops."

You obviously haven't been on a military base recently.


If you go into the personal living quarters you will see them filled with anti Bush and pro Obama material.



You are now free to return to your mirror image of the paranoid and ill informed freeper.

...because I was there. I remember when a young man was killed there. I remember asking a young soldier point blank if he would use his rifle (with saber attached) on me. He looked me in the eye and said "Yes".

I also remember Kent State, although I was not personally there.

So yes, I do believe that many in the military "... will blindly follow orders to march against the people".

Now I don't claim to know the details nor the implications of the deployment that has everyone all excited here. Some say it's a standard troop deployment, no big deal. Some say otherwise. The media has stayed silent. So I'm not excited over it yet.

But don't tell me the military won't shoot US citizens if ordered to do so. Some may not. Most will. It's the nature of the military to follow orders. Nuremberg notwithstanding.

...could not dredge the name up from the old memory banks.

All of these are incidents with national guard units.

...unlike their fake counterparts in the National Guard, would never, ever follow orders to shoot their fellow countrymen? Is that what you're saying?

My observation is that most in the military will follow orders. Some will have the knowledge and guts to stand up to an illegal order; most won't.

Now if you're saying that commanders in the "real" military won't give illegal orders, again, I have a bridge to sell you.

- My Lai is a well known instance.

- The use of napalm -- a chemical warfare agent -- on civilians.

- Many incidents in the invasion and occupation of Iraq that our military is still engaged in. Such as the shooting of a car with an Italian journalist in it, after the car was cleared to drive to the airport.

Remember in the Nuremberg trials, we drilled in the message that "I was just following orders" is not a sufficient response to absolve you of war crimes. And yet...

You can argue with any of these, pick them apart and say that this one was not a war crime, that one was disputed, whatever. The bottom line: yes, most soldiers will do what they're told. Whether in the real military or the fake military.

And you can take your snide "on point" remark and ... never mind I don't want to be crude. Come back when you've had a loaded rifle pointed in your direction and had someone tell you that yes, he'd use it on you.

fuck you.

Vulgarity is the last refuge of a weak mind. Not only are there hysterical paranoid rumor mongers in DU, some of them are veterans. Having spent 7 years cleaning up the mess left by the US military in refugee camps in SE Asia I don't mind spending a couple of minutes cleaning up the putrid mess you leave here.


Now for some facts:


Here is a list where the US Army has intervened in a US disturbance

1932 - Bonus Army March, Spring/Summer 1932, Washington, D.C.


Here is a list where the US Army has not intervened in a US disturbance

1900 - 1950s
1900 - Robert Charles Riots, New Orleans, Louisiana
1901 - Denver Riots, Denver, Colorado
1901 - New York Race Riots, New York City, New York
1901 - Pierce City Riots, Pierce City, Montana
1902 - Liverpool Riots, Denver, Colorado
1903 - Bloomington Race Riot, Bloomington, Indiana
1903 - Motormen's Riot, Richmond, Virginia
1906 - Atlanta Riots, Atlanta, Georgia
1907 - Bellingham riots, Bellingham, Washington
1908 - Springfield Race Riot, Springfield, Illinois
1912 - Lawrence textile strike, Lawrence, Massachusetts
1913 - Paterson silk strike, Paterson, New Jersey
1914 - Ludlow massacre, April 20, Ludlow, Colorado
1916 - Preparedness Day bombing, July 22, San Francisco, California
1916 - Everett massacre, Nov. 5, Everett, Washington
1917 - East St. Louis Riot, July 2, St. Louis, Missouri & East St. Louis, Illinois
1917 - Springfield Vigilante Riot, Springfield, Missouri
1917 - Houston Race riot, Aug. 23, Houston, Texas
1919 - May Day Riots, May 1, Cleveland, Ohio
1919 - Red Summer, USA
1919 - Boston Police Strike, Boston, Massachusetts
1919 - Pennsylvania Steel Strike, Pennsylvania
1919 - Charleston Race riot, May 10, Charleston, South Carolina
1919 - Washington, DC Riot 1919, July 19, Washington, D.C.
1919 - Chicago Race Riot, July 27 - Aug.2, Chicago, Illinois
1919 - Knoxville Race riot, Aug. 30, Knoxville, Tenn.
1919 - Longview Race Riot, Longview, Texas
1919 - Omaha Race riot, Sept. 28, Omaha, Nebraska
1919 - Elaine Race Riot, Oct. 1, Elaine, Arkansas
1919 - Centralia Massacre, Nov. 11, Centralia, Washington
1921 - Tulsa Race Riot, May 31-June 1, Tulsa, Oklahoma
1921 - Battle of Blair Mountain, WV Coal Mine Wars, Aug.- Sept. 1921, Logan County, West Virginia
1922 - Herrin Mine Massacre, Herrin, Illinois
1923 - Rosewood Massacre, Jan. 1-7, Rosewood, Florida
1929 - North Carolina Textile Strike, North Carolina
1927 - Columbine Mine Massacre, Nov.21, Serene, Colorado
1931 - Chicago Rent Strike Riot, Aug. 3, Chicago, Illinois
1931 - Hawaii Riot, Hawaii
1932 - Dearborn Massacre, Dearborn, Michigan
1934 - U.S. Nazi Riot, New York City, New York
1934 - Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, Minneapolis, Minnesota
1934 - Auto-Lite strike, Apr. 4 - June 3, the "Battle of Toledo" riot, Toledo, Ohio
1934 - 1934 West Coast Longshore Strike, May 9 - Oct. 12, San Francisco Bay Area, California; Portland, Oregon; Seattle, Washington
1934 - Textile workers strike (1934)
1935 - Harlem Riot, March 19-20, New York City, New York
1935 - Souther Tennant Farmers' Union Riot, Arkansas
1937 - Republic Steel Strike, May 30, Chicago, Illinois
1942 - Sojourner Truth Homes Riot, February 28, Detroit, Michigan
1943 - Zoot Suit Riots, July 3, Los Angeles, California
1943 - Detroit Race Riot, June 20-21, Detroit, Michigan
1946 - Columbia, Tennessee Riot, Feb. 25-26, Columbia, Tennessee
1946 - Airport Homes Race Riots, Chicago, Illinois
1949 - Peekskill Riot, Peekskill, New York
1951 - Cicero Riot, July 12, Cicero, Illinois

1960s
1960 - HUAC riot, May 13, Students protest House Un-American Activities Committee hearings, 12 injured, 64 arrested, San Francisco, California
1960 - Jacksonville riot 1960, Aug. 27, Jacksonville, Florida
1962 - Ole Miss riot 1962, Sept. 3 - Oct. 1, The University of Mississippi, Oxford, Mississippi
1963 - Cambridge riot 1963, June 14, Cambridge, Maryland
1964 - New York City 1964 race riot, July 18-23, New York City, New York
1964 - Rochester 1964 race riot, July 24-25, Rochester, New York
1964 - Jersey City 1964 race riot, Aug. 2-4, Jersey City, New Jersey
1964 - Paterson 1964 race riot, Aug. 11-13, Paterson, New Jersey
1964 - Elizabeth 1964 race riot, Aug. 11-13, Elizabeth, New Jersey
1964 - Chicago 1964 race riot, Dixmoor riot, Aug. 16-17, Chicago, Illinois
1964 - Philadelphia 1964 race riot, Aug. 28-30,
1965 - Watts Riot, Aug. 1965, Los Angeles, California
1966 - Sunset Strip curfew riots, Summer, basis for the song "For What It's Worth", Los Angeles, California
1966 - Division Street Riots, June 12-14, Humboldt Park, Chicago, Chicago, Illinois
1966 - Omaha riot of 1966, July 2, Omaha, Nebraska
1966 - Hunter's Point Riot, San Francisco, California
1966 - Hough Riots, July 18-24, Cleveland, Ohio
1966 - Waukegan Riot, Aug. 27, Waukegan, Illinois
1966 - Benton Harbor Riot, Aug.-Sept., Benton Harbor, Michigan
1966 - Atlanta riot of 1966, Sep. 6, Atlanta, Georgia
1967 - Roxbury riot, June 2, Boston, Massachusetts
1967 - Tampa Riots, June 11, Tampa, Florida
1967 - Buffalo riot, June 27, Buffalo, New York
1967 - 1967 Newark riots, July 1967, Newark, New Jersey
1967 - 1967 Plainfield riots, July 14-21, Plainfield, New Jersey
1967 - Cairo riot, July 17, Cairo, Illinois
1967 - Durham riot, July 19, Durham, North Carolina
1967 - Memphis riot, July 20, Memphis, Tennessee
1967 - Cambridge riot of 1967, July 24, a.k.a. the H. Rap Brown riot, Cambridge, Maryland
1967 - 12th Street Riot, July 23-29, Detroit, Michigan
1967 - Milwaukee riot, July 30, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
1967 - Minneapolis North Side Riots, August, Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Minnesota
1968 - Orangeburg Massacre, S.C. State Univ., Feb. 8, Orangeburg, South Carolina
1968 - Memphis riot, Mar. 28, Memphis, Tennessee
1968 - 1968 Washington, D.C. riots, April 4-8, Washington, D.C.
1968 - Baltimore riot of 1968, April 6-12, Baltimore, MD
1968 - 1968 Chicago riots, West Side Riots, April 7-14, Chicago, Illinois
1968 - Columbia University protests of 1968, April 23, New York City, New York
1968 - Salisbury riot, May 18-20, Salisbury, Maryland
1968 - Louisville riots of 1968, May 27, Louisville, Kentucky
1968 - Glenville Shootout, July 23-28, Cleveland, Ohio
1968 - Liberty City riot, Aug. 7-13, Miami, Florida
1968 - 1968 Democratic National Convention protests riot, Aug. 1968, Chicago, Illinois
1969 - Zip to Zap riot, May 9-11, Zap, North Dakota
1969 - NC A&T Disorders, May 21, Greensboro, North Carolina
1969 - Cairo disorders, May-June, Cairo, Illinois
1969 - Stonewall Riots, June 1969, New York City, New York
1969 - San Diego Riot, July 13, San Diego, California
1969 - Youngstown Riot, July 15, Youngstown, Ohio
1969 - S.E. Melee, July 21, S.E. DC, Washington, DC
1969 - Sacramento Disorder, July 17, Shootout between BPP & police, Sacramento, California
1969 - York Race Riot, July 1969, York, Pennsylvania
1969 - Passaic Disorder, Aug. 3, Passaic, New Jersey
1969 - Hartford riot, Sept. 2, Hartford, Conn.
1969 - Ft. Lauderdale Riot, Sept. 2, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
1969 - Las Vegas Riot, Oct. 6, Las Vegas, Nevada
1969 - Days of Rage, Oct. 8-11, Weathermen riot in Chicago, Chicago, Illinois

1970s
1970 - Student Strike of 1970, May 1970, USA
1970 - Lawrence Disorders, University of Kansas, April, Lawrence, Kansas
1970 - Student Rebellion UMCP, I, University of Maryland, May 1970, College Park, Maryland
1970 - Kent State Riots/Shootings, May 1970, Kent, Ohio
1970 - <(New Haven Green Disorders)>, <(Yale University)>, May 1970, <(New Haven, Connecticut)>
1970 - Hard Hat riot, Wall Street, May 8, New York City, New York
1970 - Jackson State killings, May 14-15, Jackson, Mississippi
1970 - Augusta Georgia Riot, May 1970, Augusta, Georgia
1970 - Alexandria City disorders, May 29-June 3, Alexandria, Virginia
1970 - Russells Point disorder, July 5, Russells Point, Ohio
1970 - Yosemite Disturbance, July 5, Yosemite Nat. Park, Calif.
1970 - Pasco disturbance,July 8, Pasco, Washington
1970 - Asbury Park Riot, July 9, Asbury Park, New Jersey
1970 - Michigan City riot, July 10, Michigan City, Indiana
1970 - Highland Park disorder, July 11, Highland Park, Michigan
1970 - Hartford Riot, July 28, Hartford, Connecticut
1970 - New Bedford Riots, July, New Bedford, Mass.
1970 - Sterling Hall bombing, Univ. of Wisc., Aug. 24, Madison, Wisconsin
1970 - Chicano Moratorium Riot, Aug. 29, Los Angeles, California
1970 - 14th Street riot, Sept. 21, Washington, D.C.
1970 - Georgetown Melee, Oct 4, 330 arrested, Washington, D.C.
1970 - Henderson disorder, Nov. 7, 350 Guardsmen sent in, Henderson, North Carolina
1971 - Tampa disorder, Jan. 13, Tampa, Florida
1971 - Wilmington Riot 1971, Feb. 9, 2 killed, Wilmington, North Carolina
1971 - May Day Protests 1971, May 3, Washington, D.C.
1971 - Student Rebellion UMCP, II, University of Maryland, May 1971, College Park, Maryland
1971 - Camden Riots, August 1971, Camden, New Jersey
1971 - Black Muslim Rally and Riot, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
1971 - Fiesta de Santa Fe disorder, Sept. 6, Santa Fe, New Mexico
1971 - Attica Prison uprising, (Attica, New York)
1972 - Student Rebellion UMCP, III, University of Maryland, May 1972, College Park, Maryland
1972 - Southern University Disorders/Shootings, Nov. 16, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
1973 - Wounded Knee incident, Feb. 27 - May 8, Wounded Knee, South Dakota
1974 - SLA Shootout, L.A., May 17, Los Angeles, California
1975 - Pine Ridge Shootout, June 26, Pine Ridge, South Dakota
1975 - Livernois-Fenkell riot, July 1975, Detroit, Michigan
1976 - Escambia High School riots, February 5, Pensacola, Florida
1977 - Chicago riot 1977, Humboldt Park riot, June 4-5, Chicago, Illinois
1977 - New York City blackout of 1977 disturbance, July 13-14, New York City, New York
1979 - White Night Riots, May 1979, San Francisco, California
1979 - Greensboro massacre, Nov. 3, Greensboro, North Carolina

1980s
1980 - New Mexico State Penitentiary Riot, Santa Fe, New Mexico
1980 - Chattanooga Riot of 1980, Chattanooga, Tennessee
1980 - Miami Riot 1980, May 17-19, Miami, Florida
1982 - Anti-Klan protest 1982, Nov. 27, Washington, D.C.
1982 - Miami Riot 1982, Overtown Riot, Dec. 1982, Miami, Florida
1984 - East Los Angeles Disturbances involved street gangs, repeatedly from April to Aug. 1984, Los Angeles, California
1986 - Palm Springs Spring Break Riot, Apr. 1986, Palm Springs, California
1987 - Tampa Riot 1987, Feb. 1987, Tampa, Florida
1988 - Tompkins Square Park Police Riot, August 1988 (East Village, Manhattan, New York City)
1989 - Miami Riot 1989, Jan. 1989, Miami, Florida
1989 - Tampa Riots, Feb. 1989, Tampa, Florida
1989 - Virginia Beach Riot, July 1989, Virginia Beach, Virginia
1989 - Bensonhurst Riot, Sep. 1989, Queens, New York

1990s
1990 - Anti-Klan protest 1990, Oct. 28, Washington, D.C.
1991 - 1991 Washington, DC riot, Mount Pleasant riot, May 5-9, Washington, D.C.
1991 - Crown Heights Riot, Aug. 1991, Brooklyn, New York
1992 - L.A. riot/Rodney King riot, April-May 1992, Los Angeles, California
1992 - Sporadic urban violence in response to the L.A. Riots (San Diego, San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento, San Bernardino Cal., Las Vegas Nev., Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Miami, New York City, Philadelphia, Phoenix, St. Louis, Washington DC, etc.) across African-American and Hispanic communities in the United States and in Toronto, Canada, May 1992.
1996 - St. Petersburg, Florida Riot 1996, Oct. 1996, St. Petersburg, Florida
1997 - The July 4th Immigration Demonstration Lockdown, July 1997, Los Angeles, California
1999 - WTO Meeting of 1999, "The Battle in Seattle", Nov. 1999, Seattle, Washington
1999 - Michigan State University student riot, April 1999, (East Lansing, Michigan)
1999 - Woodstock '99 music festival riot, August 1999, (Woodstock, New York)

2000
2000 - Puerto Rican Day Parade riot in Central Park New York City, New York




Now you are free to return to your vulgar hysterical rumor mongering. But really if this is the level of your argument you should find a different forum because what you have published here is really at the Rush Limbaugh level of accuracy and isn't going to fly here.

who pooh-poohed those of us who showed some concern about it.
I am glad that a person of the stature of Naomi Wolf has taken this seriously.

It is a scary premise, and sadly, it is something that I would not put past Bushco.
All they would need is the slightest "provocation" and prez shit-for-brains would be
ready to declare "martial law".

One can only hope that with the current tide of negativity toward the administration,
it is something that would not be seriously contemplated.
I would hope that should they even consider this, there would be people with torches and pitchforks...
at least... in the streets.

I live in an area with 3 military bases, one of each kind. And.. my neighbors, friends, clients, are ALL on "active duty" here at home. They have jobs at the base. We have National Guard troops every single day, in any year, ready to activate if we have a national emergency. This stuff that keeps being sent around, is really conspiracy theory nonsense, and I it harms OUR side.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

"After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one."

Sounds scary enough to me... this situation needs to be watched very closely.

"They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack."

OH MY!

The people who bellow about this have no clue about how the Army operates.

for a full explanation on why this is a serious problem..with several imbedded links to more info..
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/

absolutely nothing gets my Pa.Dutch in an uproar like that term being used to describe the US...the MOPH lost me as a donor, when they sent me a piece of literature stating that our soldiers were injured or died while serving and protecting the "Homeland"...flat out chaps my hide..I can handle change, just not that one and I don't like what it makes me think of...(rant off)...wb

While Vice President he chaired the committee that wrote the USAPATRIOT Act. Rightwing Radio was full of the same conspiracy theories about Clinton that we hear today about GWBush. The act never got anywhere in the Republican controlled Congress.

Then 9-11 came along with a Republican in the White House. Eurasia was always our enemy and Oceania always our friend.


But, yes, I agree with you. That name is so reminiscent of Hitler's Fatherland and Stalin's Motherland. I don't care who coined it.

I just know I absolutely hate it...thanx for the info...wb

Breathe deeply. Have some dip.

are landing right now.

But Army times has an article. Are the Repukes carzy mean enough to launch an October surprise so heinous as a "terror attack" on election day?!



Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

didn't pass the bailout bill. This will not be the last time.

From another piece by Naomi Klein:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20975.htm "> Thousands of Troops are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"

:sarcasm: :grr: