I am pissed off. My daughter just came home from school -

her "best friend" at school told her that Barack Obama hates children. When my daughter pointed out that Obama has two children of his own, the friend said, "He acts that way in public, but it's different at home."

When she told me this, I asked my daughter how this girl could claim to know what goes on in the Obama home. My daughter answered that this girl told her that Obama wants to kill babies.

Who THE FUCK teaches their children to say such things? Who THE FUCK thinks it's okay to use their children to push such heinous hate politics?

Someone even put up a protest they did using their kids

But you already knew that.

THE REST OF THE PROTEST AND PHOTOS BY THE CHURCH ARE HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7708026&mesg_id=7708026

Those people that do that to their kids should be in jail for abuse.

Do they first have to explain to their children what infanticide is and then justify how they can accuse Obama of being "for" it?

They can't even stage a literate protest.

But around my way that shit isn't allowed. Except maybe some of the non-denominational. Plus my churches are in the inner city. They are actually very supportive of Obama if you talk to my pastors privately and NEVER bring up politics in church.

I proved him wrong

him back up again. This is not true Christianity, but rather a perverted extension of it. It happens in all religions and political idiologies.

Take a look at what USSR did with the teachings of Marx.

I think Jesus would be saying, "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do."

That's a few people. There's a lot to blame for a lot of things that go on. Tell me what you are and I'll tell you what you are responsible for.

If Jesus came down here today they'd tar him as a liberal, a socialist and a terrorist sympathizer.

Regards

think it is blunt? watch a 2nd grader trying to figure that shit out.

I don't know what schools you went to or know of. But that is NOT definitive of all Cahtolic schools. Actually if the Pope found out about that, those churches would be seriously reprimanded those actions. My Church doesn't play those games and I don't knwo of a Single school in NY that would do something like that as most of them even though they advocate abstinence (and hate anything outside of marriage), they do teach safe sex.

for a long time. the more conservative catholic and baptist religions have serious issues. i take it for what it is and i dont try to dismiss, ignore or pretend it isnt happening in order to protect what i believe.

you were one in another thread that called a poster a liar, that you didnt believe that a child came to her daughter and told her obama murdered children. there was one other poster with you on the issue. of late, we have been seeing more and more of it brought out. it happened in 2004, (and that is when i turned away from religion, not god, not jesus but these religions) and it is happening again now.

as long as the devout continue to ignore the issue, not willing to challenge their own faiths, the problem will get worse

i am so pissed at the christian that points to others and say they are not. one of the reasons i have walked away from the republican and stand with the dems....

Further more, I felt she had a lot of nerve to assume that she should "reprimand", in effect, the other child. Which was not her right. Check out your sentence. You made no distinction in your statement. If you did I would never have bothered to respond to your statement.

I'm not protecting what I believe. Hell, I was deemed the Athiest in Catholic school. However, I will admit that I didn't realize there was entire 360 of the Catholic Church in the South. Basically the Church is very sterile in it's view points but gives leeways in certain things...such as Divorce and remarriage. Now I don't come from the perspective of the South. I'm definitely New York bred Catholic.

Okay, then you need to work out your own issues. I have nothing to say your problems with the Christian faith, nor do I subscribe to ALL Christian faiths, further more I know the Catholic one very well and those in area. Your issues come from your area and you should work that out on your own. I never walked to the Republican, thankfully. Indepenent and proud.

Here in Jefferson City MO, St. Peters' Catholic Church - 3rd grader came home to a co-worker, crying that Obama was a baby killer. Needless to say, there was at least one hot momma in town.

I had gone to that church occasionally - I won't do that again. No mo $$

Further more, this stuff is definitely debated and you can go to your archibishop and complain about what's going on. Priests are not supposed to do that. From my exprience in NY---they are very very very serious about adhering to separation of Church and State. They do not bring in any of this stuff and those pamphlets if passed out in my church would actually be removed quickly. This is not acceptable in NY and I've stated it as such.

needs to be its own thread.

Make sure to bring popcorn. :popcorn:

My son went to Catholic school for 6th and 7th grade and wrote a position/persuasive essay for reproductive choice. He got an A.

in the totally opposite direction. as long as you, sittin in ny, say it isnt like that, see, my son.... ignoring around the country you are part of it all. why not talk to you priests in ny and speak out against what is happening to your very religion across the country. or at least have the respect to validate and acknowledge what is being done in the name of your religion.

much as there are more radically orthodox factions of the Jewish faith. In the view of the Catholics, protestant religions are pretty much wacky spinoffs from the Church. So when these ultra conservative Churches do the same kind of wacky things, ---it really is nothing new. Bishops can also influence the parishes they serve. Catholic churches often reflect the parish they serve.

In the American Church, there is quite a spectrum, activist priests and nuns (like the Berrigan brothers), Catholic Charities, the Catholic Worker and similar organizations on one end and the Traditionalists on the other. Believe me some horrible crimes have been done in the name of the Catholic Church and showing disgusting pictures to young children is probably the least of them. These kids have parents who are allowing this.

Also, Catholics are not literalists. There is a dogma however, it is not taken in the same way that fundamentalist/born again/evangelical types cling to theirs. Most Catholics reconcile their sexuality with the Church's edicts-- and usually use birth control and lead satisfying sex lives and shrug off any shame that the Church may have associated with it. Being Catholic is a cultural experience besides a religious one. Most Catholics believe priest should be able to marry and women should be ordained. Every hundred years or so in modern times, the Church makes an adjustment. While we don't always carry with everything in the catechism, I think Catholics find their Church reassuring, it is like a rock. Granted the issue of pederest priests gave many a crisis in faith.

I am a crappy Catholic. I don't go to church -- I don't really care for the parish priest there. I might show up on Palm Sunday as Easter is too crazy. And frankly, I'm pretty unapologetic about it.

i am in religious belt of texas but grew up in calif. ALL my friends were catholics. i learned for a lot and appreciation for the catholic religion. and it was more what you and v are talking. it was liberal. the majority were strong dems.

things have changed.

and i am sad to see it. i want the old catholic back in all their imperfection

2004 the southern baptists and the catholics got together and aggressively went after their members to vote in a certain way. it made me mad. i didnt like seeing what it did in the christian community either, outside of catholic religion.

texas there are not a lot of catholics. two out of three of my friends are catholics and i married a catholic, (non practising, lol). about all there are in panhandle of texas.

i just do not like pretending, or saying this isnt happening cause if we dont call it out loud, challenge it, we can never address adn fix and heal it.

No doubt there.

What would you have people do?

I find that location is the most important factor, whether a person is in or out of church. Are people active in church merely to push a political agenda, or is it the other way around? Is the church dictating right wing politics, or are right wing demagogues trying to steer the church? I think a lot of Christianity has become a right wing political movement disguised as religion. Is it church doctrine invading our politics, or vicious right wing politics invading the religion?

And your completely correct in the Catholic Church. I know of several bishops that would probably reform those churches if they heard what was being done, or they would try at least.

C Christmas
A Ash Wednesday
P Palm Sunday
E Easter

These are the days a lukewarm Catholic might show up in church.

My Dad was the worst of the lot. Almost a zealot in his belief but he would only go on those 4 times a year. Then you have my mum, who is far from a zealot (she's even exercised her right as a woman ala Roe v. Wade) and she goes to church every Sunday and the CAPE holidays... plus she utterly dislikes the Pope.

My brother is pretty phobic when it comes to needles and blood, and he ended up passing out cold.

St. Louis, specifically. Very Catholic city.

All she was doing was riding along to give Dad a ride to work. Little did we know a large church from Milwaukee shipped busloads of people, and signs of blended fetuses etc to our little Wisconsin town of 13k.

My daughter required counseling, and the chrisians had children YOUNGER with them.

This garbage goes on everywhere. Welcome to freedom of speech. It damn sure isn't always pretty.

with him that was so not appropriate for his age.

i agree

This stuff comes straight from fundie churches.

But you already knew that.

Seems you were wrong.

:shrug:

what he is

Many Democrats are Christians. Most of the people that vote for Obama tomorrow will be Christians.

exploited by their church promoting hate. They do not adhere to jesus' teaching
but to Leviticus.

The Jesus Camp types have missed the point. Now, maybe I'm stereotyping. :shrug:

Not all "jesus churches" are up to this. And many Christians are Democrats and Obama supporters.

YOu are a ignorant asshole

Maybe you should have been more specific with your bigotry.

FAIL

is a good DUer.

I think you need to apologize.

Have you seen Jesus Camp? Maybe you need to take a dip into REALITY.

You and others choose to stereotype "good DUers" who are also Christians and who also think the Jesus camp crowd is insane.

and they promote Hate? You really don't get it do you?

You really need to reexamine your beliefs if you are defending what
they are promoting and what upset the OP in the first place.

Obviously there are issues with them. My issue is with you blaming this on Christians. Christians as a whole aren't doing this shit. Most are sane and many will vote for Obama. Remember who voted for Obama in the primaries? Atheists and serious Christians. So it's unfair to stereotype people this way.

and Pat Robinson, Hagee, and Jerry Farwell followers can go to hell. That is not a small group
of followers.

The christian religion needs a new reformation of the values
of what Jesus said and taught. These millions of followers that promote this do not.

Sid

And I went to Catholic elementary and high school. Sure they taught EXTREMELY negative teachings for pre-marital sex. But all my schools were very serious about pro-choice. We all had sex ed in 7th grade. So it's not "jesus" churches. It depends on where you were raised. Well on top of all that my mum extreme pro-choice as she's had abortions. So that could be one another thing.

and these children and their families make a fine target for bombs, land mines and un- depleted uranium.

first kick my own ass and then i'd ground her for a month.

I said, "Have you ever heard me say bad things about John McCain?" She said she had not. I said, "We don't promote Obama by telling nasty lies about McCain."

We have discussed with our children why we have chosen to vote for Barack Obama in terms of Obama being the best choice for the future of this country. We have not spoken negatively of McCain to our children, with the exception of saying things like, "We don't like his health care plan," and similar issue-related remarks.

I save my McCain invective for rants here at DU. I don't use my children to promote the politics of hate.

I really rebelled against such a statement because, naive as I may be, that good eventually conquers evil. Now I am not so naive. The main reason that evil often overcomes good is because good has limits, boundaries, lies we will not cross. Evil will do anything to retain power. Lies, greed corruption etc are all within limits as long as they win.

It's God's Will that Obama be our President!


Damn Fundies have been begging for this.

Thank goodness we live in a small town filled with such nice Christian republicans.

:sarcasm:

Commercials, posters, having children tell reporters that Obama kills babies.

They will continue to shock and appall you.

moves into the White House. Clinton had it easy.

What type of parent teaches their children such hateful lies? The type that lacks the capacity to teach their children the honest truth.

In time, your daughter's friend will benefit from their relationship, and see that President Obama does not hate children.

...so I sure she's teaching her children to say it, too.

one who can think for herself and isn't susceptible to being brainwashed into believing anything that her parents tell her. I always questioned the things that adults told me, especially when I was a little kid.

for things said on the playground. I even got kicked off the school bus once for things I said about the bus driver (I called her "Ellie Jelly Belly").

that calling the school over this is not going to do any good. What can they do?

Miss Worringer in Madison, Wisconsin. She cried a river when Nixon lost, which was truly sweet for me. I kid not: her eyes were raw and red as if she'd been crying all night when she showed up the next day in class with a depressed look on her face.

How awful for her.

That's a fucked up woman. I don't know what to say.

(Catholic private school kindergarten)

Who knows where the little girl heard it, but she'd been indoctrinated.

We need change in this country, for sure.

Said by children . . .

"If Obama is elected, he will take away our computers and TV."


Now that's some evil, fear mongering parents. I would have had to say something if I'd been there and just let it rip. Somebody needs to teach the children to stand up to fucking liars, even if they are your own parents.

my 20 year old coworker's dad told her that
sarah palin is being smeared all over, and
she bought it. he's voting for the christian!

she figures there's no difference who she votes
for anyway. i told her i'm sorry to hear that,
because it's more your future than mine.

"How in the HELL do you get up in the morning and manage to get dressed without help?"

"How in the HELL do you manage to tie your own shoe laces?"

"How in the HELL did you manage to pass the written portion of the driver's test w/o having the ability to read or even to think?!"

knows that abortion is already legal right? And even if McCain is elected that anyone who wants to can still have an abortion, right?

saying similar things. The only way some in the gop know how to grow their party is by spreading hate.

Who sanctioned and was/is a major cheerleader for a war that has left children fatherless and parents mourning their children. I'm also going to bet that the parents of the child concerned also twice voted for a President who, while as Governor of Texas, used the death penalty as frequently as one uses cooking utensils and who once mocked a dying woman in an interview. And they don't see the hypocrisy in that

The parents in question should be ashamed that they are teaching their children such hatred and such nonsense

I'm sorry your daughter had to go through that :hug:

in her art class. She came home asking why we wanted to vote for Obama because he "kills babies" and would I ever do something like that and did I ever "kill any of my babies". I was so beside myself I could hardly speak. My daughter is EIGHT years old - who in their right mind would do this?? Not only was she spewing hatred, but she forced me to have to explain a very delicate topic to an EIGHT year old. Just sick...

they are lying to their kids and in effect filling yours with horrific images.

The bible says its ok to kill children, it advocates it actually:
http://www.reasonproject.org/index_ee.php/scripture_project/The_Bible:abortion/

Just sayin'.

to fear but smear itself.

is premeditated murder. It kills babies inside and outside the womb as well as anybody else.

Our job is not to protect our children from exposure to all negative influences and viewpoints out there. Our job is to teach our children how to process them and respond. This is how she learns to be confident in her values and opinions.

If your daughter were always shielded from this stuff, she would never learn how to deal with it. If it were a teacher spouting this stuff, you would have reason to be outraged. However, coming across peers and others who spout ridiculous or harmful ideas is a part of life and something she must learn to manage, with your help. This is a teaching moment....you to your daughter, and perhaps eventually your daughter to her friend.

A week or two later, they invited my daughter over and took her to a
fanatical church 'carnival' that I didn't know about. She said that
they told her that her christening didn't count because she was
a baby. These people are nuts.

... that he was the only kid in his Catholic private school kindergarten class who voted for Obama in his classroom's mock election. And then he mentioned some little girl classmate of his telling him that Obama wants to kill babies.

This is the same Catholic school I attended 1st-8th grades, and walked away with a wholly different understanding of Jesus' priorities. Many organized religions seem to have gone off the rails in the last 30 years.

...I'd tell them outright that their parents are stupid. I lived in the city, which kept me from being sheltered from current events. Plus there was always a newspaper and C-SPAN around the house. Heck, in the 6'th grade my entire class booed whenever the teacher mentioned John Engler's name. Everyone in Jackson, MI is pretty cocky that way.

people are actively using this exact and specific terminology to indoctrinate their children, whether it's parents or churches, or both. I heard that exact phrase, word for word - "Obama wants to kill babies" uttered out of the mouth of one of my daughters friends at my own kitchen table. After I closed my dropped jaw, I told her that was NOT true, and that sometimes people (even people we care about) will make bad stories up about other people in order to get their candidate elected.
Are you in Texas too by any chance?

She came home with another unhappy story today. I posted it in response to someone else's thread, but I'll post it here too. This is a copy and past of an email I sent my mother a few minutes ago:

Jane came home from school today with an interesting story.

She said her teacher was reading them something that explained the symbols for the major political parties - the elephant for the Republicans and the donkey for the Democrats. She said the teacher paused in her reading to add, "Republicans are the strong ones, like the elephant, and Democrats are the weak ones, like the donkey."

Skeptical, I asked her if she was certain that's what was said. I asked her to repeat the story a couple of different times and different ways, and she remained convinced that this is what she heard.

She then asked, "Which presidential guy is the Republican and which one is the Democrat?"

She had no idea which was which, so I'm satisfied that the story she told me about her teacher was true. For all she knew, her parents were the "strong ones, like the elephant."

The question is, what do I do now? Conferences are on Thursday afternoon. Do I ask Jane's teacher how Jane managed to come home with the impression that her teacher believes Republicans are strong and Democrats are weak?

hates babies" type email when I went for coffee at my favorite convenience store. The lady who works there had it on her cell phone, and I just a few days ago got all the information I needed to debunk it right here on DU via links and informative posts. The lady was in tears.

Thanks DU.