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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:41 AM
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GRRRR!!!!! Another reason I STILL hate these people!
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 06:42 AM by Montauk6
(all from Wikipedia)

Bush-Gore, 2000

Electoral votes: 271-266
State count: 30-20
Pop Votes: 50,456,002-50,999,897 (!!!)
Percentage: 47.9-48.4


Bush-Kerry, 2004

Electoral votes: 286-251
State count: 31-19
Pop Votes: 62,040,610-59,028,444
Percentage: 50.7-48.3


Obama-McCain, 2008 (the so-called "non-mandate")

Electoral Votes: 365-162 (assuming the electors don't eff around)
State count: 28-21
Pop Votes: 65,412,231-57,414,049
Percentage: 52.6-46.1


Now, let's go back in time....

From the Constitution Tribune, Chillicothe, MO, 12/27/05...

"Right after he was re-elected with just a 3.5 million-vote margin in the popular vote, Bush proudly claimed a MANDATE to pursue an aggressive agenda. 'I earned capital in the campaign - political capital - and now I intend to spend it. It is my style,' he said."

ARE YOU SERIOUS?????????

Anyway, the bottom line is this; there's no going back, in terms of voter neglect. True, when I first got to my polling place, I was crestfallen at how huge the line was at so early an hour; but INSTANTLY I felt encouraged because it's this very thing that will keep the Machine at bay. Huge turnouts are like a cross to these right-wing vampires (all irony intended, btw). It's clear that, if we want to keep them out of the driver's seat, we no longer have the luxury of taking ANY election for granted and just staying home. Otherwise, they'll slither back in and finish the job they started 8 years ago.

JUST SAYIN'....




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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:48 AM
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1. The contrast between Bush and Obama is startling. Bush = I, my, me, I, I, I, I.
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 06:48 AM by Heidi
Obama = We, we, we, we, we, we, we.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:00 AM
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2. Don't you mean you hate bush? He's the one who said it.
:shrug:

He's an ass. We all know that.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:13 AM
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3. I'm referring to the hypocrisy of the wingers claiming no mandate
and that this country is, at the most, center-right or right of center or whatever.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:33 AM
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4. Read this and pass it around... 'The Center-Right Myth'
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 07:35 AM by Breeze54
It's some dipshits of the M$M that keep pushing the 'country is center right' meme. :eyes:

It isn't. The country took a decided swing to the left last Tuesday! :woohoo:

Here's a great article you may want to read. It's short but factual.

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The Center-Right Myth

http://app.mx3.americanprogressaction.org/e/er.aspx?s=785&lid=7707&elq=9B4EBCF5CA9C4ABF8B980E79B39D114C

November 6, 2008


On Tuesday, President-elect Obama resoundingly defeated Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), delivering a mandate for Obama's progressive policy agenda.
Obama ran on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate in at least 15 years, "including a promise of universal health care coverage, a dramatic transformation to a low-carbon economy, and a historic investment in education." Nevertheless, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), whose party suffered tremendous losses Tuesday, insisted, "Democrats should not make the mistake of viewing Tuesday’s results as a repudiation of conservatism," adding, "America remains a center-right country." Similarly, Newsweek's Jon Meacham wrote an Oct.19 cover story titled "America The Conservative." In fact, some pundits are illogically arguing that both President Bush's 2004 election and Obama's 2008 election are proof that the country leans conservative. But the progressive direction of the country, symbolized in Tuesday's victory, is clear. Just prior to the election, 85 percent of Americans said they thought country was seriously off track. As Media Matters observed, "It is difficult to find an issue on which the public is more conservative now than it was 20 years ago."

THE PUNDITS' CLAIMS: An extensive list of conservative and mainstream pundits are claiming that the country is "center-right." Meacham wrote in his cover story that America "is more instinctively conservative than it is liberal" (he admitted that his argument was "probably going to look dumb, or at least out of step, for many months to come"). MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said on Oct. 29, "It is a center right country," particularly "on economic issues." Bill O'Reilly yesterday said, "America is still a center right country, even though the folks voted left last night." After the 2006 elections, pundits used the same argument. "These Democrats that were elected last night are conservative Democrats," said CBS' Bob Schieffer. "In Key House Races, Democrats Run to the Right," wrote the New York Times. In fact, the class of 2006, which came to power in part due to public disapproval of the Iraq war, was remarkably progressive, favoring raising the minimum wage, opposing Social Security privatization, and promoting "fair trade."

PROGRESSIVE BY THE NUMBERS: On Tuesday, the country both rejected conservative ideology as well as embraced new, progressive priorities. The latest Pew Research poll showed that only 25 percent of the public agrees with the centerpiece of the conservative tax program: making Bush's tax cuts permanent. The public also agrees by 58 percent to 35 percent that the government should guarantee "health insurance for all citizens even if it means raising taxes." Exit poll data showed that 60 percent of voters were worried about rising health care costs and that 66 percent of those people backed Obama. A majority of Americans also want to expand environmental protections, increase the minimum wage, recognize same-sex marriage, and end the Iraq war, to name a few. Yesterday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) explained that the center of the country is progressive.

MANDATE DOUBLE-TALK: Pundits also are claiming that Obama's margin of victory does not give him a mandate for progressive change. Columnist Robert Novak wrote yesterday that Obama "neither received a broad mandate from the public nor the needed large congressional majorities." But in 2004, as Bush crowed about his "political capital," Novak argued that Bush's narrow victory was "of course" proof of a conservative mandate. Winning 52.4 percent to McCain's 46.3 percent, Obama's popular vote margin stands at 7,401,289 -- more than twice Bush's 2004 vote margin -- and he netted 63 more electoral votes than Bush. Novak also dismissed the 57-seat Democratic Senate majority (with two more seats potentially up for grabs). But conservativism's so-called 2004 "mandate" netted only four new seats, for a total of 55.





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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:45 AM
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5. Good stuff, thanks for the article!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:49 AM
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6. Noam Chomsky exposes this as a complete myth in his book, What We Say Goes, but
I expect alluded to it in some of his earlier books. I don't think it's a new phenomenon at all (people may be politically naive, but most are not daft), although it will always have been more muted than it to have been, because the MSM are always controlled by Establishment.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:52 AM
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7. It's hilarious how they panic so quickly - even in advance - just the sort of men
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 08:11 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
you'd want fighting with you in the trenches!

I remember some years ago, on TV here in the UK, a female, Israeli former guerilla - former Olympic discus-thrower or something - against the British after WWII, saying that she'd seen a few men crack up under enemy fire, but never a woman. But I'm not suggesting Palin would be an acceptable alternative to any of them.... wretches though they are.

Mind you, when I was "working" for an insurance outfit I later read in a newspaper was very crooked (ineptly since I never sold a thing) many years ago, as a supposed "financial consultant" - I do remember a woman on the sales staff, running around like a headless chicken, when a small IRA explosion went off near a lift-shaft in the building next door. But she probably had a very bad conscience. Which kind of computes....

To this day I don't know quite what I was supposed to be selling, though I may have forgotten. I think they were some kind of diversified property bond, but, on the other hand, I seem to remember something about life policies, too. I was a lot more competent on building sites.
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