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deadlyaj (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:36 AM Original message |
Let the Autos Fail! (Ford / GM / Chrysler) |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. SOOOO glad the Feds let Bethlehem Steel collapse and turn their pensions over to PBGT, which |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. I can attest to that - my stepfather was Bethlehem Steel |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
70. THANK YOU! That's what I've been saying on every post I can find! |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. And thank you! I work in the steel industry and |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
106. Steel got screwed and you know how that turned out. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. So you admit steel got screwed and by who? I will |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Well, the auto workers are going to be in your shoes. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I am happy we have the Democrats moving into |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. The airlines have dumped a lot on the PBGC. |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
126. Exactly. I am tired of people screaming to let companies fail, when it means thousands of jobs |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's separate from the financial sector bailout |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. UM... |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Unfortunately, those clunkers are already on life support |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. 1st off, there are other car manufacturers to produce new cars that |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Who? |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
80. Our Hondas (that we bought used) need multiple repairs every year |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
93. I love my Subaru personally, but it's a thing - works most of the time |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Redirecting the companies is a fine idea |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. How many people would be unemployed by that action? |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Three million. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. GMAC is a financial company and Paulson wont give them the money. This is ment to kill the Volt , we |
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chitty (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. I'm not 100% positve about this but |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Nissan and Toyota are also producing electric cars. The Volt isn't the only "series" one out there. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Name another mass produced series driven car then? Thx in advance |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. somewhere around 6,000,000 jobs + pensions |
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. If the auto industry goes under it would have far reaching effects |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Tell it to Buffalo and other rust belt cities and towns across America who have learned to re-tool |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
108. Buffalo is a mere shell of itself. |
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boomerbust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
8. They must be bailed out |
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KalicoKitty (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I agree, they must be bailed out. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
9. How about giving people a generous tax credit for buying small fuel efficient |
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carnie_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Oh you mean like the "suv credit" |
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Ozma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
38. It's a great idea, but there's something illegal about favoring |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I believe that's covered in most of our free trade pacts. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. Univ of Michigan: 2.5 million people would lose their jobs if 1 of the Big 3 fails |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
127. The repercussions from this would be terrible -- the economies of these states would be ruined. |
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deadlyaj (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
11. The legacy costs and the UAW costs -- how can the big three ever be profitable? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. universal health care |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. They can shift their legacy health care cost AND their CURRENT health care cost to Gov |
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MsTryska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
102. This has been my argument for Universal healthcare for a while now... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
95. "the UAW costs"? |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
123. Are you in favor of taking away the pensions of people that worked |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
14. Deleted message |
dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. wtf? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
63. "Obamacons" are conservatives who crossed party lines to vote for Obama |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
84. ok, i didn't know what you meant. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Because government interference with markets is so right-wing! |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. Government interference with the FINANCIAL INDUSTRY is job #1 |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. I was under the impression that... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Nope. The "market" hasn't pumped $3 trillion into Wall Street in the past couple months |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. I merely infer from reading and observation. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
99. Then your inferences are faulty. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Not really. The Republicans were more opposed to it than the Dems were. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
100. You must not have links to any newspapers in your "favorites" |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. yes |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. The electorate who voted him in already exist...nt |
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trayfoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
16. Though I have no sympathy for the big 3............ |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. No |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
19. There is more to this story than meets the eye...there are real reasons why the Bush Admin doesn't |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
20. Sure...millions of people out of work....all supplier companies shut |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
25. the auto industry is the very heart of the us economy, a major driver |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
26. You don't just hurt the Auto companies. You hurt the Auto parts makers as well |
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Sensitivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. These are in mexico etc not in U.S. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Not true. There are several here as well. Bosch has plants in Atlanta. |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. My husband designs the electronics that go in autos... American autos. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
28. Then what will I drive? |
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Ozma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. I wonder what you are driving now. I have |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. A Mustang. A FORD Mustang. |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I don't know about any problems with foreign cars, |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:13 PM Original message |
Thank you! |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. DUPE |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
49. I suggest you read the Consumer Reports or Consumer |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. And I suggest you drive an American car. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Those ratings of auto reliability come from actual owner |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. As someone who should be biased for American cars |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Consumer Reports doesn't really test automobiles, however. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. They make projections based on thousands of consumer |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
101. Bottom line: Consumer Reports doesn't test vehicles, |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. So even after reading the summary of thousands of |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Predicted Reliability... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
111. Have you looked at the 2008 Buying Guide? |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. This hurts to say but look at Toyota and Honda |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. That's an improvement over your previous post. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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cameozalaznick (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
40. No. We can't let them fail. We need auto manufacturers for |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Wow... that's the best point I believe has been made during |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. no we cannot let the auto industry fail |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
73. We can and should have a manufacturing base - just maybe not autos... |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
43. I don't think we can do that... even though I detest GM |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
44. What everyone fails to recognize is if you bail them out |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Like AIG? Come on, compared to what AIG has done GM is a saint. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. It's the bad choices of these Wall Street financial institution |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
46. What we need to do |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. RIGHT!!! 2-3 million jobs ALONE will be lost with a bankrupt GM. Who's going to buy a car from a... |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. correct |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. If they go bankrupt they will still make cars! What they need |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Lobbyists |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Yes lobbyists! The auto industry fought tooth and nail |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
74. No. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
58. If we bail them out, the conditions shouldn't be limited to CAFE standards. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Jobs creation? That's one of the main problems with the |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Why isn't AIG or GE required to promise to go green or create US jobs |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. They will just have to survive 67 days or something |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. There should have been ALL KINDS of stipulations, IMNSHO. I still can't believe they just handed |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
83. What other industry do we have? We should have bailed out |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
86. You might as well nuke Michigan and Ohio while you're at it. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I cannot belive the number of people here who think not bailing them out is a good thing. |
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This One (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If they made cars people wanted, I'd be in favor of helping them but they don't |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Okay, so let them fail and take the entire country down with them? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #91 |
107. Who says they will fail? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
124. Not so. For one thing, it would destroy their suppliers. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Really? You have forgotten the mini-van and SUV craze? |
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susanwy (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. "want" |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Detroit can build those cars. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. The dickheads I work with all drove (and WANTED) SUV's. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
122. I think that you backed up Kristi1696's post. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I MEANT to! |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Okay. Thanks for the correction!!!! *smilies* |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
117. Check out the Ford Escape hybrid. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
113. Then how come they sold all those trucks and SUVs? |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. May as well add Indiana to that list as well |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. Well put |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. Loan them money in exchange for rapid investment in higher MPG cars |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
98. If there is to be a bailout, the first thing to do is fire all top management |
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Fran Kubelik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
105. Do not let them fail |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
109. I love the people actively campaiging for unemployment in the teens |
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lithiumbomb (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #109 |
129. yeah, i don't think people are thinking this through |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
110. Yes, the Whole System Needs Help |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
115. Which of these prospects would cost more..... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
118. Has anyone noticed that a lot of the Japanese car companies |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:18 AM Response to Reply #118 |
130. you mean some companies build in isolated smaller communities |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
131. The government should just buy them outright... GM's market cap currently is about 1.9billion |
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GTurck (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
132. Reynolds Metals... |
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