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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:27 PM
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Do you think that Kerry is hitting Bush back hard enough?
Is the tide turning on Bush again? Many think that Bush managed to get back on message at the convention and that last week was abysmal for Kerry. What are your thoughts on things now? Are we coming back right now? Will we win on election day?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:37 PM
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1. i think Kerry's best hope is too....
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 11:40 PM by dennis4868
keep it close until the debates (if there are any) and then hope the people of this country finally see through it all that Kerry is the man...problem with this is that the media after the debates will have a good time knocking Kerry for every thing he says and all movements he makes during the debates....it's hard for Kerry....when your number 1 enemy is not your opponent it makes for a difficult time....
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:02 AM
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2. No.
I still don't see enough coordination with the surrogates and he has yet to define his candidacy on an issue or theme. And the hour grows late. I've always been a big Kerry optimist, but things really need to speed up now.

I am 100% for the AWOL story, but Kerry needs to hammer the job losses, the deficit, lack of health care, the failure to find Osama, the rush to war, and so on.

He also needs to counter the attacks about flip-flopping and such, because they are pretty much taken for granted now. This is something that really needs to be worked into the debates.

If Kerry were to mention Bush's use of warlords to (fail to) capture Osama with a show-stopping zinger, I'd be happy.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:06 AM
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4. I feel the same way
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 12:07 AM by fujiyama
The war, health care, jobs, and the defecit...and of course, he should point out why Bush isn't so great on the "war on terror", especially how the Taliban are taking over large parts of Afghanistan again.

Kerry would make a great president. I just wish he would be a little more direct in the way he speaks...

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:04 AM
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3. I think he and all of us are doing everything we can.
I'm seeing a slight lack of preparedness and focus with our surrogates, but I think Kerry himself and the overall coordination of the campaign are going excellently.

We need to push the media HARD, though.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:09 AM
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6. A reasonable belief.
I would like to believe that. It seems generally true that the media is the problem. I am hoping that it won't hurt Kerry on election day.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:40 AM
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10. I completely disagree.
There is only one way to win this election.

We must utterly anihilate Bush as a "strong wartime leader."
We must rip that image to shreds. We must tear every bit of flesh from its body and pour salt on its bones.

We have not even begun to do what needs to be done.

Where are the godam 527s? What are they doing? Holding prayer vigils and focusing on tangential issues.

Why is there not at least one, single 527 out there that will attack Bush relentlessly and viciously as a "wartime leader." GOD KNOWS HE's VULNERABLE! They don't even have to lie!

I stand ready--with tens of thousands of others--to contribute enough money to such an group to fund all the commercials needed to beat this fascist regime. (Consider the alternatives!)

But who will do it? Who?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:07 AM
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5. yes, but the media is not reporting on it so it's hard to get it out
but the local media reports on it at times and of course those who go to see him see it . so there are other ways to do it, but it's tough when the big media is obviously working to get bush into office.
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:28 AM
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8. He's never turned the flip flop charge around on Bush
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 01:12 AM by Miss_Bevey
Here's a good one. How come he first opposed the 911 Commission, and then when pressured, came out for it? How come in the 2000 debates Bush said he would not engage in nation building, but now he's trying to do just that in Irag?

I still think Kerry is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

He still has idiots like Bob Shrum advising him, a sure-fire loser. I think Kerry needs seek Big Dog's advice at every available opportunity at this time. Bill might not be able to run around on the campaign trail just yet, but he sure as hell can hold court from his digs in New York.


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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:26 AM
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7. i think we are coming back but kerry and et al. need to keep hammering
away. if they say something, jump down their throats. we are in the last 100m and they need to dig deep, ignore the burn, and push their agenda. repeat everything a 1000 times and do it in short sentences. kerry can get too wordy and lose people's attention. i like that he explains things, but there is a time for it and a time to get in quick soundbytes. if people can't figure out the fucking difference between the cheerleader and the soldier by now, they never will.

while some intellectual purists would thumb their noses at shallow soundbytes, it is unquestionably effective. it's not that hard. just send out a memo to all the surrogates and tell them to keep repeating an agreed upon soundbyte. it WILL get traction if said enough.

quick reacting and really start attacking. put THEM on the defensive for once. that will be nice to see. ok. enough of my arm chair quarterbacking. i have no doubt, though, that we will win. i think these polls are all bullshit. they do not represent the huge section of the population that have never voted and are incensed enough to preregister to vote already.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:32 AM
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9. He needs a stronger theme
He's bouncing around too much. The media don't cover him because Bush is easier to digest and they are lazy as hell. They also have very small time spaces to put words into, so all you get are sound bites. Kerry's stump speeches are informative, but they lack strong sound bites.

Give the TV what it wants, John. It sucks, but they control the message machine...for now.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:44 AM
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11. Even when he hits hard is seems disorganized! Bush AWOL needs to be linked
Democrats seem to have a problem linking Bush's past acts to his ability to lead today. The point of Swift Liars was that Kerry's past actions prove he is unfit for leadership today and they have been pretty good at sticking to that message. Our message about Bush AWOL appears to be Bush was AWOL. What does that have to do with today and why don't we have a very specific message that every surrogate uses to link Bush's past activities to his current situation.

The most obvious one would be that Bush is a liar - he lied in the past and he's lying to you today. But Democrats don't have the balls to call Bush a liar, so maybe they could use a code word. We just don't seem to have a plan behind many of our attacks.

Where are the few easy to remember points that are going to stick and damage Bush?

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