CNN - Developing Story: Hillary Clinton is in talks...“reports beyond that are premature,”

ProSense

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Fri Nov-21-08 03:45 PM
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CNN - Developing Story: Hillary Clinton is in talks...“reports beyond that are premature,”

Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 03:59 PM by ProSense

Developing Story: Hillary Clinton is in talks with the Obama transition team, and “reports beyond that are premature,” a Clinton aide says.

Updated to add screen capture:

Does Obama Really Want the Clinton Circus in his Big Tent?

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WI_DEM

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Fri Nov-21-08 03:46 PM
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1. I'm almost certain if she doesn't accept it in the end, it will go to John Kerry.

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karynnj

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:10 PM
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15. I think Kerry will stay in the Senate

He will head SFRC and is very busy on both a huge rail bill and a small business stimulus package. From the Senate, he will be one of Obama's foreign policy team. Also don't forget Biden. I would thing that if HRC doesn't work, it will likely go to a career diplomat.

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Fri Nov-21-08 03:46 PM
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2. I think DU should just get prepared for the fact that she will be S.O.S.

While I am not a Clinton fan, she is definitely capable and it is a signal of strength from Obama that he offered her such a prominent spot in his cabinet.

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onehandle

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Fri Nov-21-08 03:55 PM
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3. No, DUers should keep grasping at straws.

Obama is obviously letting the media circus go on and on and on to prove that he is a poor manager and communicator.

Not putting this "rumor" to rest days ago and nipping it in the bud is what he wanted.

That is, unless it's true.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 03:57 PM
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4. I love this.

I love it beyond anything I could possibly say.

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ecstatic

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:05 PM
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7. Love what?

The drama or the circus? :shrug:

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:06 PM
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8. The denial drama.

Grasping at extremely slim straws. It's fucking hilarious. I've been contacted 6 times already that this is "premature" and "that the Clinton camp denied it." It's happening, right here, right now, and people *still* won't believe the reports.

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:02 PM
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5. The more this circus continues, the more I'm convinced this deal was brokered long ago

Nothing else makes sense.

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EFerrari

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:06 PM
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9. I think I heard that on Charlie Rose. That Obama and Clinton agreed to it

but their staffers were not in on it and the two camps kept going at it in the mean time.

Sorry, I can't remember who the source is but it was last night on the Rose show.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:07 PM
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11. I think there was a very legitimate vetting process, but the initial reports were on the mark.

That basically Obama really did want her, and I think that his inner circle wanted her to be vetted financially.

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EFerrari

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:12 PM
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17. I wish I could remember who was talking to Charlie but I don't.

Hillary will be good in that job, imo. And it may be more fun for her than her Senate gig.

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Skwmom

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:17 PM
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22. It's the only thing that makes any sense b/c why else would you

want this circus in your administration?

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EFerrari

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:19 PM
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25. The surrogates go away and Bill stays in New York

and things will calm down.

If she stays in the Senate, not so much. Remember how Kennedy challenged Carter?

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Skwmom

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:26 PM
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30. How does her being SOS make a challenge less likely?

Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 04:26 PM by Skwmom

The Clintons will get the credit for foreign policy and Bill will remind them of how great the Clintons were for the economy. And it is going to take some time to right this ship. I think they could be in a very strong position to mount a challenge under these conditions.

As far as her not keeping her political support or contacts, I don't believe that for a minute. Bill will be working overtime keeping them on board.

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EFerrari

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:35 PM
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37. I don't think so. Without the independence of the Senate seat

self interest only looks like disloyalty.

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Skwmom

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:51 PM
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40. No. They can sell it as doing what is right for the country, riding to our rescue.

And they hate to mount that challenge but they can't stand to see the American people suffer. The public will eat it up.

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ecstatic

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:04 PM
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6. omfg

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Median Democrat

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:06 PM
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10. Hillary's Surrogates Contradict Each Other A Lot

For example, news stories with attribution to "Clinton advisors," have simultaneously said that Hillary is reluctant to leave the Senate, while also say that Hillary is trying to pin Obama down to secure the nomination and that Bill is doing everything necessary for Hillary to get the nomination. Either the press needs better Clinton sources, or Hillary needs to police her surrogates better.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:08 PM
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12. The press picks any old fool as a "Clinton person."

They fail to recognize that Obama's sources aren't exactly weak and most of the reports were coming from Obama's people, not Clintons.

I wouldn't be surprised if this source didn't know shit.

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ErinBerin84

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:10 PM
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14. whoever these marginal people from both camps are.

I can't wait until this is announced officially, so they no longer blab and blab to prove their relevence.

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karynnj

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:14 PM
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18. Do you have a reason to believe that they were Obama sources?

I wonder if they are anybody's sources as the continuing saga helps neither.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:18 PM
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24. The news media said they were.

I had no legitimate reason to believe otherwise.

I was right.

Funny that.

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ErinBerin84

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:22 PM
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27. the news media has been quoting

"people close to Clinton", "people close to Obama", "Democratic officials", "Democratic insiders", "Clinton advisors", "Obama advisors"...I don't trust the media over any of them, but it could be the same 2 or 3 people for all we know who keep blabbing, haha. Anyway, don't really think it's more than the other, though I think the original one came from Obama people, though Andrea downplayed that the next day.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:32 PM
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35. It's not the quality but the quantity. Enough leaks and you have a decent probablity of the outcome.

The probablity of the outcome of Hillary being SoS is so high that any other position is just plain denial.

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ErinBerin84

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:39 PM
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39. oh, I think she will be SOS at this point.

Just in terms of who the leaks were coming from.

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Median Democrat

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:21 PM
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26. Politico Is The Worse Offender - MSNBC Rapped Them ...

For simultaneously posting stories that (1) Hillary was having second thoughts about leaving the Senate because she liked being her own boss, and (2) that Bill's actions in complying with the vetting process showed that Hillary and Bill were fully committed to Hillary serving as VP. These two stories attributed their sources to "Clinton advisors."

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ErinBerin84

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:24 PM
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28. yeah, politico is the worst.

and their reports constantly contradict each other.

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Median Democrat

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:26 PM
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31. Particularly When The Contradictory Reports Both Cite...

To the same alleged group of sources, particularly the "Clinton Sources" regarding Hillary's ambivalence versus desire for the SoS position. The editorial staff of Politico needs to do a better job policing its stories, because obviously, one of the stories, and its sources, are full ot it.

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Sebastian Doyle

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:28 PM
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33. Nobody ever even heard of Politico a year ago

They seemingly came out of nowhere, just in time to promote Hillary's primary candidacy. And they still seem to exist, only to promote the Clinton agenda.

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Median Democrat

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:24 PM
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29. Then Reporters Need to Take Journalism 101

If what you say is true, then the press (Politico) is just incompetent if they are:

1. Relying on an Obama source for Hillary's state of mind about having second thoughts about leaving the Senate.

2. Not accurately citing an Obama source, as an Obama source.

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EFerrari

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:10 PM
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13. It would be smarter of Obama to have Clinton in the administration

than as a locus of power in the Senate.

If Bill Clinton can be made to go do his own thing, it should work out fine. I don't know how big an "if" that is.

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ProSense

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:12 PM
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16. Hillary Spokesperson: Reports That She Will Accept Sec State Gig Are "Premature"

Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 04:12 PM by ProSense

Hillary Spokesperson: Reports That She Will Accept Sec State Gig Are "Premature"

By Greg Sargent - November 21, 2008, 3:42PM
Hillary spokesperson Philippe Reines says the reports that Hillary has decided to accept the Secretary of State gig are "premature."

Asked for comment on the stories, Reines emails me this:

"We're still in discussions, which are very much on track. Any reports beyond that are premature."

It's still possible that it's true that she's told confidants that she'll accept the gig and that this statement refers to the question of whether she and Obama have shaken hands on it. But perhaps a bit of caution is in order.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:16 PM
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20. That article is an hour old.

Good try!

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karynnj

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:16 PM
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21. Thanks finally a report that has a real name rather than a source

unless Philippe Reines doesn't really exist ........

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:17 PM
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23. Philippe Reines is the only Clinton spokesperson who would give a name the past few days.

And that has been their default response when asked about this.

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karynnj

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:32 PM
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36. OOPs- I eally didn't thing that silly comment

needed an emoticon or apprpopriate spooky sounds or pictures. (the first setence that it was an official sourced comment was genuine - I really wonder if many of the others were made up or by people with shakier connections than implied. They are making both of them look bad.

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:37 PM
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38. Both sides have been *harrassed* by the media since the meeting in Chicago.

I do not blame some of them, a very few of them, from leaking information like this. I know that Obama is trying to wait things out before making an announcement, and I hate that it's just going to lead to more bullshit speculation despite the fact that aides have come out with some very powerful information.

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ProSense

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Fri Nov-21-08 06:15 PM
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42. The "breaking news" was a rehash of yesterday's breaking rumors.

You have to wonder why this is being pushed so hard. If it's a done deal or on track, why keep pushing rumors and leaks as breaking news for seven friggin days?

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:16 PM
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19. Link? I can't find this rumor on the website.

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elkston

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:27 PM
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32. Dammit! She better take this. This is Sec' of State, Woman!!! (n/t)

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joshcryer

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Fri Nov-21-08 04:31 PM
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34. She will, three Obama aides can't be wrong.

This is just to shush the speculation a bit longer. The talking heads will get to talk about reasons Hillary might not accept and so on.

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ProSense

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Fri Nov-21-08 05:39 PM
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41. Who are the three Obama aides? n/t

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ProSense

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Fri Nov-21-08 08:09 PM
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43. "A partial review of how the news emerged"

The news that Sen. Hillary Clinton was Barack Obama's choice to become secretary of state emerged in a dizzying series of news reports based on sightings, leaks, counter-leaks, rumors, qualified confirmations from the Obama transition team — but still nothing firm and authoritative from either Clinton or Obama. A partial review of how the news emerged:

Thursday, Nov. 13: Andrea Mitchell of NBC News reports that Obama is considering Sen. Hillary Clinton as a potential secretary of state. News reporters see her motorcade outside Obama's Chicago headquarters that night.

Saturday, Nov. 15: The Associated Press reports that Bill Clinton's foreign deals could cause complications if Obama picks Sen. Hillary Clinton. This becomes the prime point of media speculation for days.

Sunday, Nov. 16: Bill Clinton, speaking at an economic conference in Kuwait, says that his wife Hillary would be a "really great" secretary of state.

Monday, Nov. 17: The Guardian, a London newspaper, reports that Hillary Clinton has decided to accept the post of secretary of state.

Wednesday, Nov. 19: Former President Bill Clinton offers concessions about opening previously private data about his donors to the Obama camp if that'll help Hillary Clinton become secretary of state.

Wednesday, Nov. 19: The Associated Press reports that Hillary Clinton engaged lawyers to help Obama "vet her candidacy."

Thursday, Nov. 20: The New York Times reports that Bill Clinton is said to agree to conditions set by Obama's transition team regarding potential conflicts of interest if Hillary Clinton becomes Secretary of State. It also reports of growing tensions between the Clinton and Obama camps over all the leaks.

Friday, Nov. 21: Senate Democratic leaders, The New York Times reports, have discussed giving Sen. Clinton an "undefined leadership role" in the Senate if she doesn't become secretary of state.

Friday, Nov. 21: The New York Times, citing "two confidants", reports on its Web site in the afternoon that Clinton will accept the position. Neither Clinton's office nor Obama's camp would confirm the report, but neither did they deny it.

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Fri Nov-21-08 08:11 PM
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44. What conditions are her negotiators making on Obama?

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