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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:20 PM Original message |
To all those who worked for Obama to keep Hillary from controlling Foreign Policy.... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yep....Psych! She has no control! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. so I thought until he had his meeting with Bush...ever since.... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Stop being so cynical...... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Why shouldn't I be cynical? You think I've kept my head in the sand re the lengths Bushes |
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gblady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. huh? |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. They have medication for paranoia now. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Right - Bushes proved to you over the years the left is just 'paranoid' about the extent of what |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Proof that Bush is a criminal is not proof that Obama and |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I said Obama has been acting like it....why run against the way Bush-Clinton-Bush handled |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. You can "buy" whatever you'd like. You sound like a raving |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Bushes wouldn't do that? New Zealand Prime Minister needs to seek help. Maybe we can get a discount |
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pecwae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Bush threatened the lives of his family? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
58. Seek help. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Your comfort with the Bush record of fascist strongarming is heartwarming. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. If you think that Bush threatened Obama's life during their meeting... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Right...Bushes wouldn't do that....and Bush is as big a 'buffoon' as Quayle...right? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. When the hell did I say that Bush is a nice statesman? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. You think a buffoon is incapable of sending an implied threat. I proved otherwise. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Sigh. Okay, okay, whatever. Believe what you want. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I didn't say that....but, why are you certain that Bushes wouldn't imply consequences |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Why? Because I honestly think Bush doesn't even give a shit anymore. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Poppy Bush and his friends still do. You think Clinton tapdances for Dubai and Saudi royals because |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Maybe Clinton did it because it's made him filthy rich. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Yes, he is filthy rich now. For siding with the secrecy and privilege of Bushes, Dubai-Saudi royals |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
46. He only has control if he is willing to fire her. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. He's not the type of person to take any shit, either. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. I guess you have never taken a Civics class. |
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Lumpsum (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. There's a reason why they don't teach Civics in public schools anymore. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 07:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. I guess you think government works just like they say in Civics class. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. ... |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. Junkdrawer, coming from a Hillary primary voter, this is so not helpful...c'mon..... |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. but,on another level, |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Obama still controls foreign policy. |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Cabinet members ADVISE the president |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Did you not believe the Pres. Elect when he said he said he didn't |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The part where the varying viewpoints are not going to be helpful |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. To have contrarian or opposite views around to point out faults in your own ideas. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
51. Opposite views do not necessarily point out faults in the ideas of others. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
90. While everyone areeing with you all the time... |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
33. He's not compelled by law to take anyone's advice. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
49. He'll take it if he agrees with it. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
67. even the best can give bad advice |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
89. Yep. She'll have to take his orders, not the other way around. |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'd think you were an asshole if your post weren't so blatantly laughable. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I'd say the BIGGEST issue that separated Obama and Hillary on DU... |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. And if he chooses her, she'll carry out HIS agenda, not hers. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No, I think Obama will look to his advisers for Foreign Policy.... |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. At state, Hillary will be ok; for military decisions, he'll go to defense & joint chiefs. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Nobody is that ignorant of the role of the Presidents |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Oh. And which adviser should be given first consideration on Foreign Policy? |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. "given first consideration " is a ridiculously simple |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
52. He will consider all opinions, then make up his own mind. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
37. That doesn't fit with what I have read. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Ouch. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the President. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yeah, that's how it will work...sure...how silly of me.... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. It works out any way Obama wants it to work out. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. after the primary, there was lots of predictions that Hillary would fuck up Barack's campaign |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
43. She became a team player b/c she got the deal she wanted. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
63. And you think that Richardson betrayed a friendship and endorsed Obama |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
47. There are always "predictions" that Hillary Clinton is evil, |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
61. The first mistake is listening to anything that comes out of that jerk's mouth. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. Oh, snap. She still doesn't. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
27. I just think it is obvious that Obama thinks he's gonna get more than it will cost him to have HRC. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
29. Colin Powell really controlled things as Sec of State didn't he |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Of course, the deeper truth is that neither Obama nor Clinton will control policy... |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. I can only suppose that you believe yourself to be superior of anyone on this forum. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
54. Ah yes, tinfoil hat time! Can you give me one from your stash? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
91. So you're admitting the premise of your original post is bullshit. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
36. Maybe you don't know that Hillary's boss would be Barack Obama |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Just strikes me as a tad strange that the candidate who ran strongly against.... |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Perhaps you could expound on her "foreign policy" |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. "Obama beats Hillary over head with Iraq" |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. there were a number of Obama supporters who bought this line |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. Same as Bill's - protect GHWBush, Dubai and Saudi royals. Keep fascist agenda on track |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Check out an org chart sometime |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
68. Hillary was not treated poorly after her return to the senate. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. The NYT would say otherwise... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Nothing strange. It's his vision of foreign policy that will get implemented, not hers. If she |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
40. This is why I love DU. Its the intelligent conversation. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
48. She's working for him |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
50. The State Department is one of our more corrupt departments in government. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
55. The SoS does not control Foreign Policy. Ask Condie Rice and Powell what they control. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
56. Thanks to Colin Powell being against going into Iraq, Bush listened to his Secretary of State... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
59. Oh for fuck's sake. She'll be working for him. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
64. In all fareness, Clinton is not another Kinda-Sleeza-Reich. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
69. These posts would seem to indicate |
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elkston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
79. The truth is that no one really knows how this is going to work out. |
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kevinds13 (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
82. Jokes on you... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Oh... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
88. Can someone get you some cheese to go with your whine? |
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