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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:53 PM
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Get over it, Clinton haters

Get over it, Clinton haters

Obama's choice of rival Hillary Clinton for secretary of state shows his political wisdom. And the vetting suggests the Clintons -- surprise! -- have little to hide.

By Joe Conason

Nov. 22, 2008 | For a broad array of editorialists, pundits and kibitzers, as well as anybody else still obsessed with old resentments against the Clintons, the weeks since Election Day have inflicted a profound sensation of cognitive dissonance, as Barack Obama kept naming the friends and allies of his former rival to run his transition and his government. Now with reports that Hillary Rodham Clinton will indeed be appointed secretary of state, those feelings may even induce a stroke here or there.

Wasn't Obama the One who would exorcise the Clintonite demons from our midst and cleanse the capital of their sins?

Whatever the merits of any of the president-elect's particular personnel choices, he has hardly betrayed the faith of his supporters -- and in fact has displayed the very character and maturity that they always attributed to him. To say the least, he has showed that he cannot be swayed from exercising his own judgment by the petty backbiting of Washington at its worst.

During the process that led up to this moment, Obama no doubt understood that he would be courting disappointment or worse among those whose measure of him depended on his supposed distance from the Clintons. Having encouraged those assumptions as a matter of political necessity, he must have realized within days of his election that if he made selections based on merit, he would inevitably recruit many of the best and brightest of the last Democratic administration.

In the appointment of Hillary Clinton, he has proved as well that he is a supple thinker, capable of changing his views according to experience. To elevate the junior senator from New York into his Cabinet, Obama had to set aside the criticisms of her that he and his surrogates had voiced during the campaign.

If her experience in national security and foreign policy were as shallow as advertised back then, after all, on what basis could he offer her the position of top diplomat? If her judgment were as poor as charged by him and others over the past two years, then why would he place such heavy responsibilities on her shoulders? If her honesty were as questionable as his campaign sometimes claimed, then how can he trust her now?

The answer is not necessarily that his campaign rhetoric was false or insincere, but that he developed respect for her over the difficult months of that harsh contest -- and came to believe that she would be as formidable at his side as she was in his face.

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(emphasis added)

Good question: why?






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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:55 PM
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1. 'cause he likes her more than he likes John Kerry. nt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:58 PM
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3. I don't think Kerry has
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 08:58 PM by ProSense
any worries.

If Hillary makes it to confirmation hearings, I expect him to be as professional as ever.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:27 PM
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11. Yes, he will n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:07 AM
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12. Or he knows that she will foment trouble if unhappy and not constained
and Kerry never would. In case you didn't notice the non-family member Michelle Obama was clearly most friendly with at the convention was Teresa Heinz Kerry. Obama also did not vet Kerry's selfwritten speech - but he vetted both Clinton ones.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:12 AM
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13. plus, Kerry can windsurf and get beat in an election by an imbecile. nt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:22 AM
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14. Hillary proved she can get lose big: $31 million in debt.
Have you donated?

Also, former Democratic Presidential Nominee John Kerry won the 2004 primary. Former Democratic Primary Candidate Hillary Clinton did not win the primary in 2008.



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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:24 AM
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16. she lost to a great candidate...he lost to an idiot. nt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:25 AM
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17. She never made it out of the primary. She's just one of several losing candidates. n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:29 AM
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19. he's not one of several losing candidates? are you bragging that he was the first place loser?
Lewis Black on John Kerry: “Like finding a normal person who would lose in the Special Olympics”

He's in the Senate...she is going to be Secretary of State in a historic administration.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:31 AM
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20. Is that logic from Bush's school? There was only one Dem in the GE. n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:33 AM
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21. Lewis Black on Kerry :The first time I heard him speak, I thought ...
'I don't have enough bread crumbs to get me home.'
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:36 AM
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22. History on Kerry
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:37 AM
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23. he has reached his zenith...the junior senator from Mass. Its enough to be proud of.
He knows his own limitations, as does President elect Obama.

Its why he went with Clinton over Kerry.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:40 AM
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25. Kerry has no worries. He's right where he wants to be.
Hillary is searching for a legacy...frantically searching.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:44 AM
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27. It doesn't stop Clinton supporters in this thread from smearing him
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:53 AM by politicasista
And they got what they wanted. They should be happy, not rubbing it in. :(
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #27
54. I don't see anyone smearing him
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #54
62. A poster in this thread is
Bringing up windsurfing, he is "loser" who "lost to an imbecile" and other slams at Kerry to praise Obama for supposedly passing over Kerry and how the country is "overjoyed" that he stayed in the Senate while Hillary gets a job in an historical administration.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #62
67. Yeah, and I don't see it
:woohoo:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. Good
:bounce:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. if that makes you feel better. The rest of the country is overjoyed he will stay there too. nt.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:11 AM
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30. That is un-call for and untrue.
Look, I get your point, you love Hillary. But, no one can know why at this moment she was chosen, however, I don't think the choice-if there even was one- came down to a popularity contest. Now, that would be childish- just like you.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. you realize you're saying this in the Clinton bash thread by an incessant Clinton basher? nt.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. There is documentation to back up what the OP has posted- you have nothing
to back up your comments.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. what comments? that Kerry got beat by an imbecile, or that he can windsurf? nt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. Let's agree: Bush is an imbecile. Bush is still in the WH. Kerry is a windsurfer
Hillary lost and is still in debt.




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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. Ok...Hillary lost...Kerry was an early supporter of Obama. Obama chose Hillary.
Kerry supporters are whining.

I understand.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. "Obama chose Hillary." Link?
If Hillary chooses to work for Obama, she will have to face Kerry for approval.

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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:37 AM
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45. Who makes Obama's cabinet choices now? And Kerry will do what the President elect tells him to do..
he has demonstrated that he follows him well. I don't expect him to waver in this case.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:39 AM
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46. You're mistaken. The Senate doesn't work for the Excutive. n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. Kerry will not question this nomination one iota....not even a little. nt.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. What nomination? n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. the one that hurts you Clinton haters to no end. denial...bwaaaaahahaha. nt.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. You have a star. You are welcome to search my posts.
Clinton MPK in the DU search. I'll be waiting for you to post a link to my Clinton hate.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. do you think you're Obama and I'm John Kerry? you'll be waiting for..
the President elect to officially announce the next SOS...Hillary Clinton. And you'll like it.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. I'm waiting for you to back up your claims with links. n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. whine about Clinton....whine about links...support the next President and his cabinet choices, k?nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. This must be this "truthiness" we've heard so much of this year. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. "k"?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. I can't wait to see the whining when he announces her...and then when Kerry breezes..
her right through the nom process with nary a question.

Bwaaa....ha.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #61
66. I'm not sure what that has to do with the request for links in this thread. n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. it seems to bother you as much as HRC for SOS. heh. nt.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #68
71. Again, please cite where I have been "bothered" by HRC for SOS.
I'm actually fine with it. You have several unsupported statements in this thread.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #61
77. Oh will I be chiming in about that. I cannot wait to read the
pathetic comments from the devastated and crushed Hillary haters.

CAN'T WAIT
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #77
88. ^^ the childish tone of your post speaks volumes ^^
:eyes:

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #88
96. Yea, and the childish and unreasonable taunts by many of you
Obama fans during the primaries was despicable.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #96
97. here you go
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 11:06 AM by AtomicKitten
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #97
102. It's a good thing calling it is free. Can you imagine how much
you'd owe if you were billed for all of the times you've called 9-1-1 dispatch? :wow:



The thing that's "interesting" about you is you can dish it, albeit not very impressively, but you justcollapse in the fetal position and sob when people like myself call you out about your Hillary hate.

There there AtomicKitten.

Better get used to Senator Clinton as Secretary of State.

Maybe DU has a membership assistance program to help you with counseling.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #61
84. He'll question, but bottom line is that he won't have as many questions for her as say, Condi Rice?
Kerry knows Clinton. He's worked with her. He knows here abilities. I don't think you will see any questions on her abilities, but Kerry's questions will have method. That he will vote to confirm her is a given. Remember, whatever Clinton says at her confirmation hearing will be on record. Kerry's job will be to make sure she is on record for the President's agenda. And he will do that like nobody but Kerry can. It will be nice, polite and accomplish exactly what needs to be accomplished with Clinton.

Bwaaa....ha.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #45
58. Kerry really doesn't deserve this much contempt from you.
The fact is, nobody was gonna beat Lil' Dubbikins in '04. Rove had it wired.

Give it a rest on this one already.

You don't need to trash Kerry to defend HRC.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #45
82. Kerry doesn't follow. He ADVISED Obama as well as supported him.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that Kerry actually advised Obama to put Clinton is the SoS position as a way of keeping her restrained and contained. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #35
38. "The rest of the country is overjoyed he will stay there too."
That one is not sourced.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. is everyone sad he is going to stay where he is? nt.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. I'm only quoting you. n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. I'm saying that the guy got beat by the worst President in history...
you think he is enjoying overwhelming popularity outside of New England?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #43
47. 59 million votes in 2004.
I guess a few people looked up from their TV dinners for a moment to think about him.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #35
81. Windsurfing is a dangerous sport usually participated in by young, athletic individuals.
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 08:29 AM by Unbowed
It is actually quite a feat for a man of Kerry's age to have the physical strength and athletic ability to wind surf. It's a testament to ignorance and stupidity that the sport was was made out to be something akin to croquet, by a public who bought into the myth of the brush-clearing, chainsaw wielding "Cowboy President" who couldn't even ride a horse. I daresay those who continue to malign wind surfing have never done it and probably don't have the physical prowess to attempt it. Ignorance is indeed a refuge for imbeciles.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #23
80. I'd say the one who is being limited is Clinton.
SoS is an appointment position and the person must serve the agenda of the President. If nominated, Clinton will have to toe the mark.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. Correct
In some ways, Kerry will have more "power" in the Senate as he can be more independent. And, the SOS position is limited to 8 years at the outside, while a Senate position is not.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. He needs to be independent to be SFR Chair in the Senate.
It's part of the checks and balances. Kerry's always been more of a public servant than a glory hog. People who follow these things know that John Kerry has frequently let others take credit for things he's done. Kerry's time in the Senate has been less about his career than about how he can best serve the country. Power rightfully belongs to those who can most judiciously wield it.

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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #16
79. He lost to a sitting president in a time of war.
In case you don't know your history, that is the rule rather than the exception.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
90. She lost a race wheer the win was nearly handed to her
on a silver platter.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #13
59. His joke telling is definitely off the wall.
:hurts:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. I heard people that have met him one on one say he's funny
It's not his fault that Democrats chose to play along with a GOP smear just cause he left out one word.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #63
72. Yeah I know. Maybe this is his cue to come out with a good joke
He may not have everyone on his side, but I think he'd only be leaving behind the bullies anyway. But it would show he is speaking to unite the party.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #72
95. ...
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #59
70. Kerry is really funny
Hillary, not so much.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #59
92. but it wasn't Kerry who said he faced sniper fire in Bosnia
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 04:21 PM by karynnj
HRC said it 4 times before the media called her on it - though everyone knew it was not true - it would have page 1 in every paper had it happened. (That shows the difference in media treatment.)

Also HRC jokes are sometimes pretty bad - such as the one where she spoke of knowing how to deal with "bad men" -
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
89. Well, HRC started with the media and the party in exile
all in her corner and lost the nomination - and did so classlessly. Kerry never said anything half as ridiculous as HRC speaking of sniper fire in Bosnia - and she said it 4 times before being called on it.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #13
100. this is pathetic...
you can't bash obama anymore, which i am sure you reallly wish you could... so you're turning your bile on kerry, who has done more in his life than you could ever dream of...

she lost, get the fuck over it... :eyes:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Exactly n/t
Teresa and Michelle were enjoying themselves that night. And Kerry did attend Jill Biden's mom's funeral.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #1
98. Pointless and inane comment. About as poinless as this thread or Conason article\nt
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 11:36 AM by Mass
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
2. At least there is on supple thinker around.
Significantly fewer here on DU, apparently.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:00 PM
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4. This isn't a done deal yet...
Clinton may very well end up as Obama's SOS.

However, it's not final.

I'm stil suspicious, because of how oddly all of the information was leaked. This was different
than any other Obama pick...ever...including VP.

If he didn't chose her, there's no way that the Clintons would allow for it to go down as, "Clinton
met with Obama, Obama pondered, Obama rejected."

If she is not selected, it will be Hillary refusing the job.

I'll wait to groan or cheer--until it's final.

I still don't think it's going to happen.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:46 PM
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7. ABC just reported that she has told Obama she is accepting the job
As of Wed night, she was leaning against it, the Obama camp then leaned on her and talked her into it.

Sounds like he really wants her to serve at State.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:26 AM
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36. Where are you getting this news? He may want her, but I doubt he would be pushing her into the job.
This sounds like another Clinton "friend" or advisor saying these things. No President is going to beg someone to take a position. He may want her in this job, but if she were to decline it, I am certain he could find others to replace her.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:00 AM
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60. I think I noted where it was from
ABC News
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:25 AM
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74. She would not have done the vetting process were she not considering it very seriously.
There's no rational reason she wouldn't accept.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:39 PM
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93. A meeting in Chicago, the vetting of Hillary, and not one word from Obama over this.
Is all this moving too fast that I'm not seeing it? Because I saw McSame's meeting in Chicago, and actually heard from Obama over it.

Not one word from Obama and this shit has been going on the third week of bullshit.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:19 AM
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33. Your very optimistic, I wish I could be that way. I think it is just a matter of time.
The announcement will be made and it will be official. It was played out in typical Clinton fashion. This is how they operate. Why Obama has not done anything to keep it quite I don't know except, I keep on going back to the Biden announcement and that was an over the top media attention grabbing maneuver also. Maybe Obama likes to operate like this once in a while
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:01 PM
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5. Conason got on the Clinton campaign bus in 1992, and he never got off.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:23 PM
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6. It's amazing that Conason can imply that there are real issues and offer his opinion
while claiming the critics of an appointment not yet confirmed are "Clinton haters."

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:32 PM
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9. I don't hate either Clinton. Love Bill, really like Hillary.
But, she's my number 2 choice for Secretary of State.

Conason needs to get a grip.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:48 PM
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8. Having been a major Hillary critic,
I fully support her as SOS if President-elect Obama wants that.

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:07 PM
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10. I bet vetting their records was like riffling through Bill's drawers
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 11:08 PM by realFedUp
Another plus of asking your opponent
to be part of your cabinet....
what is the line from Sabrina...
like "touching the robes of Turin?"
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:27 AM
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18. I love Hillary, but...NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN!...
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:39 AM
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24. Here's how much importance I place on the primaries..... other than Obama won....
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That much. Up there. Obama is a once in a lifetime amazing figure. Hilllary is a once in a lifetime female. They defy physics. I'm glad both Obama and Hillary are on our side.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:44 AM
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26. Why?
Simple, it was all campaign rhetoric. The same B.S. all politicians use against an opponent to get elected. They almost kill each other while campaigning and when it's all over they kiss and make up. People believe all the drama and then feel betrayed.

:eyes:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:05 AM
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29. We will have an opportunity t o see if she can really handle this.
This is not her expertise, but who knows how this postion will pan out. My disapointment is two fold, one is the Kerry element and the other is that I voted in part for Obama because I thought we would be seeing the end of the Clinton's. Now, he never promised that to anyone directly, but somehow it was implied we were voting for change. I was so hoping for an end to the media crush on the Clinton's and a fresh start for our party. Unfortunately, it is not turning out that way. Now, I will have to suffer through at least four more years of the Clinton's mugging for the camera's and the media fawning over them. I think I am going to put the Democratic party and politics in general on ignore for a very long tme. Maybe by the time my grandkids can vote, the name of Clinton will envoke a question- who?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:18 AM
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32. Get over it Hlinton Caters
Obama has set the table and everyone gets a piece of the pie.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:36 AM
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44. rec 5
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:07 AM
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64. It's a fair question. The article goes on to give some good answers. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:07 AM
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85. "Let him make an ass out of himself 25 times a day."
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 10:09 AM by ProSense
Moronic as ever.

"bigotry"?



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:23 AM
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73. Why? Because he wanted to pick the most loyal candidate possible.
And in politics, great loyalty sometimes stems from completely unexpected choices.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:20 AM
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76. It surprised me
I'm sure Hillary will be a very good SoS. John Kerry will be as professional as always. I really wanted to see her at Health (I thought her healthcare plan was one area she was superior to Obama) but I'm sure she'll do very well at State.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:20 AM
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78. GO Hillary.
I can't wait to watch the press conference announcing her acceptance of the SOS job.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:01 PM
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87. "Clinton haters"
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 04:20 PM
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91. Maybe this fucking asshole needs to get over his Obama
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 04:20 PM by walldude
fetish before claiming the moral high ground.

90% of the Obama people just liked Obama more than Hillary. Why Clinton supporters felt the need to turn this into "haters" is beyond me. It's a shitty republican tactic and he and anyone else who thinks I "hate" Clinton because I voted for Obama can shove it up their ass.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:43 PM
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94. I'll give that a big "Amen!"
:applause:

The personality cultists are beyond annoying.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:45 AM
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101. .
:thumbsup:
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happychatter Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:43 AM
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103. I hated Bill when I was voting for him and defending him with every breath
I still can't stand the son of a bitch and I wouldn't buy a used car from him

but you're dead on correct here... I will be as critical of Obama as I am of HRC... I didn't like her when she was first lady... I haven't grown to love her as a Senator... but it has little to do with emotions really

If HRC decides that this is a bad time and she's going to stay in the Senate

these noveau Obama supporters are going to blame HIM, AND US... then cry for his head on a platter

this place is a fucking zoo

I'm the orangutan in the corner
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:35 AM
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99. I'm over it. Hillary will execute the foreign policy designed by president Obama.
That is all that matters.
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