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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:37 AM
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Kerry campaign shoots it's self in the foot over"Steelworkers for Bush"
When Bush* appeared in Wheeling WV a few weeks ago there were a few people behind him wearing Steelworkers for Bush* t-shirts and one of them introduced Bush*. This area has two steel unions the USWA and the ISU that represent several thousand members each. Instead of just letting this go the union bosses tried to intimidate the people that supported Bush* by saying they didn't think they were real steelworkers and they were going to investigate them. If you take several thousand people everyone is not going to be in lock-step with the union bosses. Here is a link showing what this screw up has lead to.

http://www.news-register.net/edit/story/0911202004_edt01.asp

For the last week this has been a front page story in the local papers and broadcast news media.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:40 AM
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1. Rats and Scabs...
They sure like those union bennies, though.
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:41 AM
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2. How is this a shot to the foot
If it turns out these people are not part of the union, it will be a big knock for Bush & Co. It might even become a national story.

Just my thought.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:41 AM
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3. Ignorants
They are just another bunch of ignorant people.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:42 AM
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4. Maybe the Bush camp spread the rumors
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 10:43 AM by rocknation
knowing that the Kerry camp would be blamed.

:headbang:
rocknation
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:45 AM
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5. Please re-read the story carefully.
Notice how often the passive voice was used, e.g., "rumors were spread..."? There is no evidence presented in this article AT ALL that Kerry's campaign did the spreading or had anything to do whatsoever with the perceived problems. This particular group simply chose to blame Kerry's campaign and write a letter to them. Gee, I wonder why "Steelworkers for Bush" would choose to blame Kerry with no evidence that Kerry is responsible? I can't imagine why...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:47 AM
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6. what crap. there is no proof of anything, only rumors,
and it was probably spread by the bush people
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:48 AM
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7. I'm glad you don't write the headlines for OUR newspaper!
Nowhere in that story does it say that the union bosses OR the Kerry campaign were trying to intimidate the steelworkers. In fact, it said, "Officials of both the United Steel Workers of America and the Independent Steelworkers Union, having endorsed Kerry, have added that they support the right of union members to dissent.



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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:52 AM
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8. This is great!
Now if we get Cops for Bush, Cowboys For Bush, Indian Chiefs For Bush, Sailors For Bush, and Leather Clad Bikers For Bush to go along with Steelworkers For Bush, why, why then we can have...

VILLAGE PEOPLE FOR BUSH!

Boo-oosh coun-try
It's fun to live in Boo-oosh coun-try...
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:54 AM
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10. THAT was funny! (eom)
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:04 AM
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13. Thanks.
I thought so. :-)
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:54 AM
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9. They were steelworkers and they just disagreed with the union's
position. You can't expect everyone of 5000 or so members to support Kerry or anyone else. If you lived in this area and knew the history of the steel issue you would know why a lot of the steelworkers do support Bush*. If they would have just let it go it would have all been forgotten the next day. But by trying to intimidate these people they have made this front page news and have lost Kerry votes in the process.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:57 AM
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11. who's trying to intimidate anyone?
I read that the Unions issued a statement saying that they support the right of the steelworkers to dissent. Did Teresa tell them to "shove it" or something?
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:11 PM
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19. my understanding of the steel business is that Bush tried to have it ...
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 02:12 PM by Pepperbelly
both ways and ended up screwing the pooch big time over the on-again-off-again (some might call it a flip-flop) over tariffs. The industry is in deep shit and guess who's been at the controls?

:wow:

No shit, George W. Bush. Amazing, eh? The Miserable Failure strikes again.

on edit: Perhaps their org should have been called, Dumbass, about-to-be-Darwined Steelworkers for Bush.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:00 AM
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12. The link was just an editorial about this. There have been numerous
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 11:19 AM by doc03
stories in the local paper and TV for the last week. One of the people that have made the accusation was none other than the President
of the USWA Leo Gerrard , the rumors aren't coming from the Bush* camp but I'm sure they like fanning the flames. I work in the mill and our union leaders have been spreading the rumors that these people were from different areas and were management people. Read the editorial they are union members at Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel and Weirton Steel now ISG (International Steel Group). The point of this is if the unions would have just let it go it would have been forgotten. When they said officals of the Kerry campaign it is correct because our local union people are involved in the Kerry campaign.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:35 AM
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14. Whoever they are it is apparent they are not very bright people
Why would anyone vote against their interest. Republicans want to bust the Unions. Do you understand the meaning of the word UNION? It doesn't mean some or most it means UNION. These people are traitors to their own union and deserve contempt.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:03 PM
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16. Its a company union and a condition of the job - and Company has union
support Bush.

Promotions are made by the company based on "many factors"

Love those right wing editorials

:-)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:39 AM
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15. Karl Rove thanks you.
Where in the article does "Kerry campaign shoot itself in the foot"? I must have missed it.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:57 PM
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23. Reminding the steelworkers of Bush* standing up for steel
is the last thing you would want to do in this area if you are for Kerry, all this has done here is remind the steelworkers of that.
The union bosses made a big deal over this and gave them tons of free publicity.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:28 PM
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17. Kerry Campaign Directs Hurricane Ivan Towards Florida.
There are many more possibilities here. :eyes:
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:01 PM
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18. The phrase "union bosses" is a right-wing slam against ...

organized labor. "Union Leaders" is proper.
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:16 PM
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20. I don't see any evidence here
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 03:14 PM by Jonathan Little
that the Kerry campaign is involved.

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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:47 PM
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22. On this issue they are dead right, you don't have a clue
what this industry went through from 1998 to 2003. Bush* did stand up for us in our hour of need, if you don't believe it talk to a a few steelworkers. Myself I support Kerry because of the war in Iraq and many other things. The reason I posted this was a little constructive criticism. After reading these posts you have proved my point if you don't agree with something you attack the messenger. The link for the editorial was there you could have searched the archives for other articles if you wanted evidence. Another thing is that a steel mill is a very dangerous place and there are ways to intimidate people that you would not understand.
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:00 PM
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24. Hmm
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 03:02 PM by Jonathan Little
I was attacking the article (and your rather poor choice of words for the title of this thread.) But like I said, I don't see any Kerry involvement documented in the article, other than that rumors have been spread by somebody.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:13 PM
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25. My choice of words were right on and the Kerry supporters ,
maybe not the Kerry campaign it's self, did spread rumors and try intimidate these people. If you doubt the bad feelings in this area for the Democratic party because of the Clinton administration may I remind you that Bush* carried WV a state that has almost always voted Democrat. This is also a reason Kerry is having a hard time making any headway in Ohio.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:49 PM
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27. "bad feelings..... because of the Clinton administration"? They couldn't
take too much peace and prosperity I guess. :eyes:
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:45 PM
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26. What exactly has Bush done for steelworkers?
I've seen you mention this before and I'm curious what's it's all about. Care to explain or provide some kind of link to read?
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:24 PM
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21. Hey doc
ever heard of Karl Rove? I have. In fact, I've been studying his evil ways since 1986 and this smacks so badly of a Rove manuever I had to laugh halfway through it.

The guy really does need to come up with some different ploys. He's got about three tricks in his bag, tops and they are so easy to identify, it's pathetic.

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