***BREAKING*** Obama is a Neo-Lib and Fascist and will legalize torture

And some DUers are simply the mirror image of the rabid wingnut right. Yes, Virginia, there really, truly is a loony left. And I find them every bit as repugnant and frightening.

...not even a text message.

With all these experts in every area of political science and commerce, you'd think we'd have many more government
folk on DU. ;)

as patently true :thumbsup:

doing imaginary things with imaginary horrendous results and then DUers talk about other imaginary people who would have done better imaginary things with imaginary better results... and then DUers argue about that. And on it goes.

Oh no!

Let's impeach him for his future crimes! I'm for that.




I just want to know if he was truly voted into office, of if there might be a conspiracy where the voting machines were rigged, and the real winner is John McCain and Sarah Palin?

I Demand that the true winners get into the White House.

Where do I sign up to "investigate" this matter? :tinfoilhat:

Brennan was in the Bush Administration and worked closely with George Tenet. He is for torture ("enhanced interrogation techniques"), extraordinary rendition, and warrantless wiretapping by the NSA. I find that troubling, and your snarky post shows you have not done your homework.

I for one hope that that rumor is false. Obama needs to break with the past.

But then I don't think Obama will let Brennan run the country without Obama's permission.

who you can't trust. Obama is the President. He will not be looking over Brennan's shoulder every two seconds.

Either you are against torture or not.

I am no Obama syncophant. This nomination if it happens is unacceptable.

as citizens to watch the government and to speak out when things are done that are wrong. Electing a Democrat does not mean we can assume that everything will be perfect.

I hope that Brennan has some explanation and is willing to reject torture 100%. If, not he is a bad choice and if he allows torture, it will be as wrong as when Bush people did - and we need to protest it as strongly as we did.

Extremists, no matter the cause or position, are dangerous. I'm convinced.

I did not sign up and volunteer for this campaign to continue torture. That starts by appointing someone to head the CIA who has a record of opposing torture.

You honestly think someone is going to sway Obama into thinking torture is a good thing? Please.

For someone who signed up and volunteered to campaign for the man, you sure have very little faith in his morals and ethics. Are you sure you were working for the right person? Are you sure you make good decisions?

:eyes:

Even old employees will perform differently with a new boss. I'm saving my outrage for the day he actually does something wrong.

But thanks for your concern.

but I think you've gone overboard with the fascist and torturer thing.

It's always special to hear democrats use right-wing talking points to attack the left wing of their own party.

Perhaps the party just needs renaming: the "Central Leadership Corporation," a party to serve all the blue dogs, corporate and centrist dems, and moderate republicans.

That would be an effective way to purge the rest of us.

and you and others like you are the fringe. sucks for you, but you are a small minority. Not saying you don't have a role to play, but you are way left of the left wing of the party.

And bullshit on the neo-liberal crap. it only demonstrates you haven't paid attention or read either of Obama's books.

and as for calling yourself "the" left, well let's say I'm surprised. I always considered you to be a moderate or a centrist.

Calling people far-left and crazy won't shut them up... sorry.

for too long to cave in to the left version of wingnuts.

And yeah, people spewing this crap about Obama being a neo-liberal and endorsing torture are wingnuts.

And I'm not trying to shut anyone up. The best antidote to bad speech is more speech. I'm responding to what I view as bad speech.

for too long to cave in to the left version of wingnuts.

And yeah, people spewing this crap about Obama being a neo-liberal and endorsing torture are wingnuts.

And I'm not trying to shut anyone up. The best antidote to bad speech is more speech. I'm responding to what I view as bad speech.

Cali is a ceterist at best, probably belongs to the Hillary/Murtha part of the party.

I'm not even particularly attached to the dem party- I frequently vote for Progressive Party candidates here locally. I'm a huge supporter of Bernie Sanders and have been for 20 years. I also support Pat Leahy. Oh, and I can tell you right now, Bernie would have no patience for your type of blather.

I am sure he would be just fine with me.

way over there by the center line.

:rofl:

From the left, you don't look so "left." ;)

You are correct; I haven't read his books. I've just read his record and his position papers, which are more relevant to me.

Am I wrong to assume that his actions in office will be to move his stated policies forward?

Are you able to disagree with someone civilly? LWolf is too decent of a person to deserve that abuse. I probably disagree with her more often than not, but I don't see fit to belittle her views. Plus, she earns a lot of respect from people just by virtue of her... virtue.

You're just as guilty of the ideological correctness (dogma) of which you accuse others as possessing.

You seem to get a real kick out of being a confrontational, vicious troll. Maybe we wouldn't have these "Who are the real lefties?" wars if people like you were less itchy for a fight.

What a piece of work.

Thanks for the kind words.

:donut:

Central Leadership Corporation

That's a chilling thought actually.

:scared:

I haven't been here a lot lately, but it seems like every time I click on
a link, it's someone making fun of and ridiculing people. People who
are maybe upset about something Obama has done or people who are voicing
displeasure about a decision he's made or something he's said.

I guess I haven't seen the threads that people are guffawing about.

It's knee-slapping ridicule, and it's really a turn off.

I guess I need to catch up on my reading, but this vitriolic, sorority
gal demeanor ain't pretty.

I've never seen DU be so catty.

It's disappointing.

It reminds me of the Freepers. Heaven forbid, someone come in there for the past eight
years and dare to suggest ANYTHING negative about George Bush. My land!

...that's the tone of these posts.

It was #501 - I remember it clearly.

Obama will have to stand in line if he wants to legalize torture. Alberto Gonzales has already done that.

:yoiks:

I love the people who feel THEY have to warn him, warn Obama - YES! They must send him an email and let him know about

a) The sneaky Clintons
b) The secret powers of the BFEE
c) Those damn DLC'ers who will surely mold his will unto their own and leave him in the darkest corners of misfortune
d) Whatever else the latest thing today is

:rofl:

God this place is weird. Really, really weird.

Just because he his not a Kucinich clone does not give the closet Naderites the right to call him a centrist

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

Look on this chart and WEEP, Naderites.




Gee, looks pretty LIBERAL to me...

Oh, and "MR> EVIL DLC" Rahm is a LIBERAL too.

That chart is Libertarian bullshit. They made it up. The spectrum is left to right. The Neo-libs made up that chart because they didn't like the fact that they were to the right of fascism on most policy issues. Authoritarian/Libertarian - what a crock.

In general, people who are "right" are defined by their hatred of the left, regardless of what they call themselves or how many "dimensions" they invent, much as how this OP attacks the left. Everything else is window dressing.

he problem with the original Nolan Chart wasn't the chart itself, it was that the questions has a Libertarian bias. The distinction between economic and state power axes is a very common one in political science. Folks who are on the left economically but are socially conservative would go on the "populist" corner of the chart.

I try to remind myself of when I'm looking to spit nails at someone...

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists, is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."-- Robert F. Kennedy

and then what his brother said...

"The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."
-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy

How DARE you try to marginalize legitimate discussion through hyperbole and ridicule. If you disagree with someone's opinion about Obama or his cabinet and advisor choices then by all means make your case, but stuff the haughty snark back wherever it came from. If you have a problem with DU'ers than there is a rather obvious solution, should you choose to exercise it.

A neo-lib fascist who will perpetrate the practice of torture.

That makes my OP perfectly legitimate in my view. No hyperbole in the OP. It's those making said claims in all seriousness who are engaging in hyperbole. I think it's ridiculous and I chose ridicule as the means to express that.

You don't like it and you said so. That's what speech is all about.

Enjoy your outrage.

You have seen the usage of the term Neo-Liberal in discussion of those he has picked as advisors. It was appropriate in context. You have seen some concern that another advisor supported torture. It was appropriate again, because it was true. The Fascist bit I'm not sure where you get but I am certain that once again you are taking it out of context.

You don't outrage me. I just think you are a tad small-minded. And you are. You think you are a Liberal and you defend mightily those whom you imagine are like you but they aren't and you aren't either.

and so have others. I'm only sorry I can't link to individual posts.

And babble on all you wish with your outrage. You won't shut me up. deal with it.

Hell, there have been real liberals on this thread telling you just that and yet you call them fringe.

Get a clue.


p.s. And babble on all you wish with your outrage. You won't shut up ALL of us either. Deal with it.

Some are complaining that he will not PUNISH torturers in the Bush admin.

I posted a link in this thread.

I actually think all the hysteria about Obama is pretty funny. And I'm noting real posts that said exactly whatI claimed. I don't see anyone here as my enemy. Mayhaps you're projecting.