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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:03 PM
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Can someone tell me what has happened in Colorado? (re:polls)
Seriously. Colorado has been a "red state" for as long as I can remember, but now the current polls indicate that the state is likely to give its electoral votes to Kerry.

Is it an influx of liberal residents? Is it a gradual "smartening" of the citizenship?

What happened? And furthermore, how can we make it happen in other states?



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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:07 PM
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1. I'd like to take credit --
with the back window of my truck full of anti-Bush bumper stickers, but I think you must have nailed it when you said the influx of liberals.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:07 PM
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2. Whatever it is...
send some over here to Indiana. ;)
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:52 PM
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16. I'm in Illinois
and we aren't giving up any of our liberals because the Illinois GOP tends to be more liberal overall than the Indiana Democratic Party!

This is also why Alan Keyes may get below 20% of the Illinois vote!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:07 PM
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3. raed ruy texeiras
the comming Democratic Majority, it will make it clear for you why things are goign the way they are. Hell even San Diego County in Cali is far less red than it used to...
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:09 PM
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4. I'd like to think
that it's a dilution of the conservative base there by an influx of liberals and moderates. I know Denver and Ft. Collins in particular are having housing surges and significant increases in housing prices.
I've talked to Iowans who've moved back from Colorado in search of lower-priced housing. So to me that points to a surge in the population and greater numbers of Democratic-leaning people.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:21 PM
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5. I think there is lots of support among Hispanics and nonHispanics alike
for Democratic Senatorial Candidate Ken Salazar, a native Coloradoan for several generations and who has won statewide races twice, so is well known. His brother is favored to win a representative race as well, I believe. Ken Salazar crosses into moderate Republican support and is quite likely to carry some cross over support to Kerry as well.

I don't know that there has been anything dramatically different demographically, but the Hispanic vote that is already here is energized, I believe. I also think some of the Southern California origin Repugs who have changed the dynamic in the past 5-10 years are not thrilled with Bush's* lack of fiscal conservatism and they are not so socially conservative as the RW fundie crowd down in Colorado Springs nor the more libertarian types on the western slope. So some of them will probably go for Salazar and might just vote for Kerry as well. Some of them are probably not happy with REPUG environmental policies either--something Coors has reason to be concerned about, given some considerable controversy on the Coors Company's record, propaganda aside.
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:26 PM
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6. and you must not forget
The southern coal miners and steel workers (out of work) in Pueblo. My best friend personally met Mother Jones.

My grandfather was at the Ludlow Massacre, the south of Colorado does not forget what Rockerfeller did to the poor coal miners..................
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:36 PM
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10. Yup.... good point.
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:49 PM
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15. In case you are not familiar with the Ludlow Massacre . . .
. . . I have some links on my Union Page:

http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/Union.html

I recall that Mother Jones did not blame Rockefeller for being directly responsible.
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:07 PM
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17. My grandfather
told the story of how Rockerfellers militia (how could they not blame him for this??) tied up a small boy, and systemetically cut off his fingers for the whole camp to hear. See, it's the Christian in them. Cutting off those boys fingers were strictly Old Testament Code of Hammurabi stuff.


I will tell you this, where I grew up, if you even mentioned being a Republican, no one trusted you.

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:26 PM
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7. I'm so glad Salazar is running
Pete Coors is greatly disliked by many Repubs, who may just stay home or even (gasp!) vote for Salazar. I'm hearing the Springs area is not the RW hot spot it was 10 yrs ago, either.

Bush's policies, both domestic and foreign, resonate here in CO, for many reasons. That's why we had 90.000 + new voters register this year. MKJ
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:30 PM
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8. Pete Coors
also has sons with a penchant for fighting pit bulls, but you did not hear that from me.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:36 PM
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12. Ohhh... one more extremely good reason to detest them...
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:37 PM
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13. Kind of like not hearing the stories about Gov's
illegimate offspring? What? Did I say that? MKJ
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:34 PM
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9. the Fort Carson military crowd in the Springs... must surely
be thinking twice now, given Bush* military policies and the Iraqi debaucle.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:10 PM
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18. I'm hearing the Springs area is not the RW hot spot it was 10 yrs ago"
No, it isn't. I drove around the old north end there a couple weeks ago, and the Bush* signs were nowhere to be seen. Salazar and Kerry signs were out in force, however.

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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:36 PM
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11. I think they must have moved to Ohio.
That's not totally facetious, either. I remember the big influx, several years ago, of Georgia and Texas plates to Ohio. It really makes me wonder if they're not all moving here for one reason or another.

That being said, perhaps conservatives are leaving these areas because it's easier to victimize people elsewhere. Ohio's not the only state that's been turned into a 'frontier-style free-for-all' for corporations, with slack labor laws, low tax rates and abatements for anybody who can fill out a business license form. Not only that, but Ohio and other states are more willing than some to slash public serving benefit programs than to raise revenues.

My two cents, at least. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out how Ohio got shat upon, and I think that may be it. The state's policies toward business make it a haven for cheap-labor conservatives who don't want any of that messy organized labor hassle. We can't be the only ones. Perhaps the states they're starting to bail out on are somehow less friendly to cheap-labor conservatives? That's my guess.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:40 PM
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14. Similar demographic shifts in Virginia making it close there as well
Some odd things going to happen on Nov. 2.
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