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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:23 PM
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My opinion on the groping thing.
I think he should not be fired because he apologized and is young. But what he did was stupid and was (in my opinion)being an asshole.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:25 PM
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1. I agree. Hillary laughed it off and so should the rest of us. If she
isn't pissed then it's not a big deal. He is young and stupid......he better not blow this opportunity!!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:40 AM
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63. That's how I feel. Hillary laughed it off, so it's a non-story. nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:28 PM
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2. What groping thing? n/t
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:30 PM
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4. ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7955974
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:43 PM
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53. Thanks. I'd forgotten all about that. I vote with the people who say
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 07:44 PM by pnwmom
the controversy is incredibly trivial. Of course Hillary laughed it off.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:29 PM
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3. Has Barack commented?
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:31 PM
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6. ...
I don't know :hug:
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:31 PM
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5. This needed a new thread.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:48 PM
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9. Yeah it did. Maybe someday you'll garner up the guts to start a thread of your own, Sidney
instead of running around crapping on other peoples threads.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:58 PM
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:04 PM
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55. Mistah Mussberger, he dead. n/t
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:37 PM
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7. How old would he need to be before we stop saying that
he's too young to know better? Many young DUers complain, with good reason, that they are sometimes dismissed here as being too young to express their opinions. If we support the idea that an 18 year old is mature enough to be trusted with the right to vote, why would we dismiss Faverau's lack of judgment because of his age--which is 27, not exactly a teenager. I too think that his apology makes a difference, and I agree that he shouldn't be fired because of this lapse of judgment, just wish we would stop pretending that anyone under the age of 30 is congenitally stupid.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:42 PM
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8. You know I never thought about that.
I guess I should have as I am 19. :hug:
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:54 PM
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10. You and other young DUers are what makes me happy
and more optimistic about the future. :hug:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:59 PM
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12. I just hope that someone sits him down and for a serious talk about respect for women.
When men demonstrate their disrespect of women, to brush it off as a joke, or as unimportant, is to give permission for it to continue.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:03 PM
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13. I agree.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:08 PM
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14. He should be fired for being stupid, not for "groping"
This will be the only one he will learn the lesson. Otherwise he will just shrug his shoulders, figuring that all he has to do is apologize - what a great start for a political career.

We do not punish politicians for their actions but for not apologizing.

Remember how Edwards demanded that Hillary drop to her knees, pound her chest and apologize for her IWR vote?
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:23 PM
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15. Yeah, Right On!
Remember how the Republicans demanded President Clinton be impeached for a blowjob in the oval office? Yeah, we need to be more like Republicans, except more extreme. NO cardboard cutout tomfoolery in OUR NEW PURE DEMOCRATIC party! Fire his ASS! Praise JEEBUS!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:32 PM
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17. You are sick
All you do is run around from thread to thread mocking other posters when you have zero to contribute yourself, and then you whine like a little baby if someone calls you on it. You really should seek help.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:42 PM
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:54 PM
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19. Several of the posters here who have called
Favreau on this aren't necessarily Hillary supporters. Many were Obama supporters from the beginning and are annoyed at this idiot for providing fresh fodder for the Freepers. Others think it smacks of sexism--it was a cutout of Hillary, not Obama or another man. And yes, some people who are offended just like Hillary and think it shows a lack of respect for her, and it's hard not to agree. If someone is criticizing you for defending this idiot, they have some good reasons.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:54 PM
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20. I'm a stalker for posting to you in 2 threads about the same subject in the same day?
Now THAT is precious! If you think that's stalking then you don't know what stalking is. In case you forgot it was YOU who initiated any exchange that originally took place between you and me with your ridiculous mockery of another post I did earlier. You reap what you sow. Cry about that, too, if you want.

BTW, why is that YOU are stalking Question Everything? I notice that you stalked him here from another thread, so practice what you preach. Have a little cheese with that whine while your at it. Here, maybe this will help...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:06 PM
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:12 PM
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28. Bumping into someone in a similar thread in the same day is not stalking
It's called remembering.

You just had the unfortunate experience of happening to be in another thread that I was interested in after you made a fool of yourself in an earlier one just previous to that.

Cry me a river, Sidney. You're starting to amuse me.
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:24 PM
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32. Interesting
So you 'bumping' into me in similar threads, all of which you've made a fool of yourself in, equates to me being a previously tombstoned zombie who's waited 7 months after rejoining DU to renew our previous history. Quite an imagination you have there. This has been fun mtnsnake, but all good things must come to an end. Bye Now.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:27 PM
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34. 7 months? Who are you referring to?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:31 PM
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35. There you go again
making lame attempts to mock me by using my own words from the previous post. JackORoses used to try the same exact feeble ploy.

Bye Now


awwww, please don't go yet...
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:31 PM
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36. JackORoses' zombie is no longer with us.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 04:31 PM by Lirwin2
:rofl::rofl:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=220825
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:33 PM
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38. Ouch! Good work by the mods
and good job by you, too, Lirwin. :thumbsup:
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:57 PM
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41. Thank you mods! n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:43 AM
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59. Is JackoffRoses back?
Few have ever deserved the tombstone more than that one did.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 02:40 AM
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65. Aww you missed all the fun!
JackORoses came back to life as the poster Sidney J Mussburger. Mtnsnake shot him with her silver bullet shotgun, putting him back in the grave (hopefully) for good!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=220825
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:58 PM
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:05 PM
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23. No kidding. The guy is obviously a zombie who's returned here after getting pizza.
Otherwise he/she wouldn't be crying a river about running into me in only two threads in its life....so it must be that he/she and I have a previous history from years past or something. I can't believe how easy they give it away sometimes.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:08 PM
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27. Maybe 'ol Ethelk2044 is back from the dead!
:rofl::rofl:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:14 PM
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29. Or even worse....
maybe it's Kucinich4America! That dimwit did more to ruin the good name of Dennis Kucinich than any other poster on this board!

:rofl: :rofl:
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:07 PM
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26. Good luck with that!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:21 PM
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30. This would be my best guess, Lirwin
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=160805
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:22 PM
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31. LMAO I would have to agree with that
Their styles are almost identical!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:35 PM
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39. This topic is fucking stupid
...that it's not even worth mocking the morans that want to make it into a big deal.

Stupidest topic ever on DU.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:07 PM
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25. He appologized and HRC accepted it - and it was pretty minor
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 04:10 PM by karynnj
It was remarkably stupid, but it is something that he has to live with now.

If Edwards demanded that HRC "drop to her knees, pound her chest and apologize for her IWR vote" that was complete demagoguery. He was more of a war cheerleader and a co-sponsor. He did not do that himself - all he did was write "I was wrong" in a Washington Post op-ed.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:25 AM
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62. The guy is not 'stupid'... come on...
he had a minor error in judgement
but not near as the ones that made the Iraq war happen, and countless other horrifics .

good gawd but this is getting overblown.
Cooper on CNN was just chomping at the bit to make this 'news' and unfortunately so many here agree it is. ugh.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:25 PM
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16. Good Lord, there was/is NO "GROPING THING" - for there to be a "groping thing" an ACTUAL human being
would have to have been groped. Cardboard cutouts are not sentient human beings by proxy. This entire "controversy" is the very definition of silliness distilled to its finest internet essence.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:58 PM
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43. And when that moran hung Obama in effigy on Halloween,
it was just a stuffed figure.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:39 PM
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49. Stupid analogy and offensive to boot.
Congrats, you get a two-fer in the moronic statements department. :thumbsup:
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:48 PM
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54. But it was just some fabric and stuffing.
And it looked a lot less like Obama than this bit of cardboard looked like Hillary. And as far as offensive, you don't think that mimicking grouping a woman is offensive? Oh, right this was a joke--sort of the same explanation the Halloween idiot offered.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 02:35 AM
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64. Odd how those whose inner moron starts seriously showing still wish to stick with it.
Good luck with that.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:02 PM
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22. He should be left entirely alone, this is the funniest fucking controversy ever.
If he was pantless and doing something with his thingy to the face of the cardboard cutout, it would maybe be worth of a reprimand.

But this?

It is a cardboard cutout. If touching the private place of a cardboard cutout is any kind of an offense for ANYONE, then just fucking shoot me, I want out of this society.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:24 PM
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33. I'm kind of with you.
90% of people, male AND female, have done stupid things. It's not a big deal at all. I was not offended by it - I just remembered back to some of the silly things I've done in the past.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:36 PM
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40. The reaction is way funnier than the actual incident.
DU is priceless. :rofl:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:41 AM
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58. Priceless...
Yes, it is some of the best entertainment on the net.

You can't make this shit up.....
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:32 PM
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37. Here's my opinion on this all-important issue of the day - see within ->
.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:58 PM
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42. yup. i think if the pic had been of michelle instead of clinton though, a lot of his defenders here
would be asking for his head.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:49 PM
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44. There's no doubt about that one.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:06 PM
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47. i dont think its the end of the world but i do think it was disrespectful and sexist.
ofcourse for the rabid clinton haters, i am sure she had it coming
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:58 PM
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45. Michelle wasn't running to be commander-in-chief.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 05:59 PM by FrenchieCat
I think this incident has seen more light than required.
It was silly, and unnecessary,
but it was cardboard and not the end of the world.

If we are supposed to be upset and hold a grudge,
than I would still be pissed in how Hillary Clinton mocked me, as an Obama supporter,
when she talked about how the heavens would open up.
I'm way passed that, and so is she.
It's called acting like a magnanimous adult,
and thank goodness it will be they running the government,
not some here at DU, many who seem to have a grudge holding children-like mentality.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:05 PM
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46. i didn't expect you to understand the hypocrisy. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:12 PM
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48. What Hypocrisy? The example used was speculatory.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 06:17 PM by FrenchieCat
and the last thing we need to be doing is comparing something that happened
with something that didn't.

John McCain had nasty things to say about Chelsea......
but I didn't see that upsetting either Bill or Hillary,
in making only negative comments about John McCain.

My point is that these politicians obviously are much tougher,
and have much more confidence than we give them credit for.

And my point stands that Michelle Obama is not appropriate to compare Hillary Clinton to.
One is the spouse of a politician, and the other is an actual politician.
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Mushroom Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:12 AM
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61. Grudging
Sexism is a vengeful old god fanatically worshiped and defended for the cause, any cause.

Democrats effortlessly and passionately shed light on sexism with hearts of lions and cerebral fortitude no matter the horse it rode in on. It's a moral imperative, not a whine, not obama damage control.

:shrug:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:42 PM
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50. what if it was this instead?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/think_about_it/3087215807/
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:47 PM
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51. What if Hillary's husband disrespected her by cheating on her?
Oh wait, that already happened.

And as usual, the Clinton sycophants have nothing to say about it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:07 PM
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56. And what if you were to drop your bizarre obsession with Bill Clinton's pecker?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 08:09 PM by QC
You would be left silent, most likely, since nothing else seems to interest you much.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:47 PM
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52. Clinton supporters griping about feeling up a piece of cardboard is laughably ironic.
Bill Clinton did far worse things to his own wife, like repeatedly cheating on her.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:10 PM
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57. So because her husband cheated on her,
she's fair game for a couple of idiots?
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:47 AM
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60. Well no one wanted to fire Bill Clinton over Monica.. so why get all worked up over this?
This is like the most un-controversial controversy ever. Bill Clinton got in trouble for lying about his embarrassing business, still not enough reason to remove him from his job. So why would you wanna fire an incredibly talented young speechwriter for something that's about 1000000x tamer and less controversial than what Clinton did as President?
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