**CBS REVEALS ITS SOURCE - New Killian Memos Released**

People are claiming that there are two new memos out at:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf

I believe they would be 1 and 5, correct?


Now, take a good look at document 5. Are any of you thinking what I'm thinking? Did CBS just not only bury the forgery claims, but slyly reveal their source?

EDIT: see below

Can someone follow my thinking here? Check the dates on memos 5 and 5, and then reread memo 5 again. Tell me if you see it too.


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Memo 5 is the key.

how he got a Honorable Discharge. Thanks.

Because I'm totally confused.

On Edit: I think I get it now. #5 is key. Boy oh boy is it key!

Ratings period; puts this at Year and a half if I'm reading this right.

Also, the "Advise me how we are supposed to handle this" is somewhat telling.

Whoa, I know what that means. He has an annual report. Whatever he did, the "activity", is beyond the yearly report. This is huge. They are planning not to use it in his evaluation with the simple excuse it didn't fall in the rating period. They weren't going to address it in his report at that time.

Not even that.

These two new documents (1 and 5) were released very quietly for a reason. Read memos 5 and 6 in order, then reread memo 5. Unbelievable. CBS just brilliantly revealed their source! Rather has beaten the pulp out of Drudge, CNN and all the other media whores.

Do you think that Harris is the one who released the memos?

Rather's source is BOBBY HODGES himself! No wonder Hodges is backpedaling now. Unfuckingbelievable. Rather is pulling out his trump card.

(1) Read this new memo #5. It's obviously a letter from Killian to one of his superiors. The date is late June, 1973. He's telling this superior that he can't evaluate Bush because he hasn't shown up, and asks the superior what to do about it.

(2) It logically follows that Bush was contacted by either Killian or this superior sometime after the letter was written in late June, 1973. Bush realizes that he's in hot water and starts "talking to someone upstairs."

(3) Within a few weeks, Killian's superior writes back to him telling him to let Bush off the hook.

(4)Pissed off and suspicious, Killian "Covers His Ass" a few weeks later by writing that personal memo, in which he indicates that HODGES has been pressured by Staudt to let Bush off the hook. So Hodges was obviously the superior who Killian had written in late June, and Staudt was the one who Bush (or Poppy) had contacted sometime between that letter in late June and August.

(5) Since the #5 memo was written to Hodges (and SIGNED) by Killian, it HAD to have come from Hodges' files.


It's almost 100% certain that Bobby Hodges was Rather's source for these memos, or at least most of them, and now Hodges is backpedaling because the BFEE is on his back.

Name that BartCop applied I believe originally and now widely used. The BFEE has tentacles everywhere and old CIA connections that will pressure, discredit, threaten or destroy people outright.

of a letter he sent to Hodges? I know I always keep a vopy of memos I send out.

Excuse me, but there is a product called "carbon paper" that Killian's secretary probably would have used to produce a copy for Killian's file. If Killian preferred to keep exact duplicates of what he sent in correspondence, particularly those addressed to his superiors, then all he had to do was sign the letters with the carbon paper still in place.

I would likely have done that, and today I often photocopy my correspondence after having signed it, which is equivalent.

I've seen nothing to indicate that these papers could not have come from Killian's file.

Now we are all in the same boat as those two officers long ago. It has become clear that Bush really was AWOL.

Do we turn our backs on this fact? Or do we face up to the truth that the commander-in-chief* was, and is, a Major Shirker -- and is thus unfit for command.

I thought it was Treason? :shrug:

it appears they may have, albeit slyly, as you conjectured.

Looks like maybe Staudt?

Where did these two come from? When were they released. They were not on the CBS website last night. Now USA today has them?

are being pointed to, which should give CBS further reason to FOIA Bath's records to analyze and compare with Bush's.

They seem awfully confident about all of this.

not listed.
Where did USA today get them? From what I have seen, USA today shamelessly kowtows to Bushco.
Hmmmm, verrrry interesting.

They have PDFs of lots of obscure documents that Martin Heldt FOIAd.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

And hopefully they will have the unit reports:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-07-new-bush-records_x.htm

...soon...

say that there are new ones included in its attachment.

Why?

Do they not realize they have new info there or does nobody care because they are still saying they are forged?

I haven't heard anyone mention on any shows the US news article or ask about why * didn't sign up in Mass like he was supposed to. These two issues don't require any connection to the Rather memos, do they?

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I think it's like a Tai Chi move. If your opponent is charging you like a bull, do you punch a bull in the nose, or step aside at the last minute?

A lot more documents are going to be coming out soon. Sequentially numbered daily unit reports ought to leave less for the imagination. :)

Something I'd wondered about before was why CBS had simply read the docs to Hodges over the phone instead of letting him view them. Now it all makes sense. Either Hodges is backpedaling because his life has been threatened by the BFEE, or he and Rather are playing all the other media networks like a fiddle. Wait for the forgery charges, let them spread, THEN release your trump card and make asses of them!


This new #5 memo is the missing piece of the puzzle. That's why USAToday made sure to add it in chronological order. Bets are 100:1 that Rather has OTHER documents. unfuckingbelievable.

HERE’S “INSIDE SKINNY” ON THE RATHER-BUSH/GOP SMACKDOWN!

Dan Rather is a Texas native. He was born and raised outside Houston and then after completing college, cut his television journalist teeth at a National network station in Houston.

He took on the Bush Family "Texas Mafia"(BFTM) several times in the early 70's, and this current situation is more of the "blood feud" between he and H.W. Bush. Dan Rather is very solid, a real pro, first-class credibility (unlike those flake GOP-ops reporters at Fox), and will NOT back down from a deal that he knows he is right. I/we have never seen Dan do it once in 35 years!

The Bush Family Texas Mafia (BFTM) tries to destroy anyone that takes them on, hell just look at their damn track record. You all know this!

More importantly, we will make some phone calls on this deal, and in particular if CBS “60 Minutes” has something cooking to bag the BFTM on several matters we are aware. We keep hearing "little things" on this subject, plus the Washington Post has been digging on this next deal for over a year.

It has to do with the Bush Family corruption, documents the Fed accidentally discovered at Enron (which was a Bush Family business "front operation"), and Bush's "War Dog" House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Houston) being under a massive Texas criminal grand jury investigation, for fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and criminal abuse of his political office.

The big kicker is Bob “$200,000 donor to O’Neill’s SBVT” Perry (Houston) is involved with DeLay in his criminal enterprise and we mean BIG TIME! Also eleven (11) other BFTM members are involved, in varying degree, including the Texas Governor and other ranking elected State officials, and many of them could go to jail over this deal.

The BFTM is doing everything possible to keep the lid on it, and also get W elected. BFTM needs W elected so he can do Presidential Pardons for BFTM Enron buddies, (Ken Lay), DeLay, Perry, and others that get convicted and sent to prison over this massive criminal enterprise.

That in a nutshell is what’s going on with all the Bush-Cheney-GOP totally outright fraud in their campaign. They don’t have a platform to run on, so the con and fraud game is all they got!

They are going nuts because Rather stuck his nose in it. If you recall Dan Rather has stayed pretty neutral in his reporting on the O’Neill-SBVT fraud scam. We know, what I just delineated, because we are well connected Republicans, have several influential Houstonians in our “Beat Bush” cartel, along with two Houston criminal attorney’s – NKR

PS: It should be noted that CBS is owned by Viacom. 70-75% of campaign donations by Viacom (VIA) executives and its political action committee, have gone to the Democratic Party and its candidates. Just some interest info, nothing else!
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Thank the gods..that someone has taken on this Evil Family!

I would love in my lifetime to see them go down in the style of "The bigger they the harder they fall"!!

Dan Rather must have fully recovered from his statement that "bush is my president(sic).

BFTM - Bush Family Texas Mafia
BFEE - Bush Family Evil Empire
BCE - Bush Criminal Empire (my preferred acronym, and my own invention)

Any others I'm forgetting?
Which ever one you use, they all mean the same thing:

Continuous treason against the American people since 1924 :grr:

say we are sorry for shoving our foot up the Middle East's arse all these years. Lacks for diplomacy I understand, but it would solve our horrible M.E. problems!

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in Orange Jumpsuits with nervous jihadi's behind them!

I hope what you are saying is true. No disrespect but we really don't know you. Like they say, "a man is only as good as his words" and I will do just that until proven otherwise.

Thanks for the info very appreciated!

and I have to ask you, are you risking exposure by getting involved in this. If not you, then there must be some connected Republicans, the ones working with you on this, who are really sticking their necks out and risk being outed.

What I mean is, does this put you and others in danger?

Damn, imagine if someone listened from the beginning. We would have shot Bush out of the water last year.

since he had FOIA'ed b*sh's "records" before the 2000 "Elections"

Don't you just hate to have to put everything you say about * into quote marks? hehehe

Seems to have fallen off the face of the earth!

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And it makes me tingly all over my body.

I feel like I just got asked to the junior senior prom.

A tiara please!

The key is in the two new memos that were released. #5 and #6, when studied carefully, reveal that Gen. Bobby Hodges was almost certainly Rather's "unimpeachable source."

#1 about James Bath is the logical followup to this - and maybe the answer to Rather's "why" questions.

100:1 that Rather has other documents, and that he and Hodges are playing that media like a fiddle. Rather was smart. He got all his ducks in a row and held his trump card until the last minute. good for him.

For keeping this story alive and giving the media a reason to get back to fact checking. They'll probably do more digging now, because of our good FReeper Friends, then they have in the past four years+. Thanks BuckHead!

Chickens.

my posting privalege has been revoked. LOL

But I like it! You took one for the team. I didn't get a chance to read it, what did it say?

it said:

LMAO @ DU, those freaks actually need evidence, while you guys here just take rumors and pass it off as fact. Oh, and thank you for keeping the AWOL story around even longer. Now even USA Today says it ain't forged. Soon everyone will know thr truth!

KERRY in 04



(then i got banned)

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:hi: and just remember, when this establishes for a fact that Junior is a cokehead, that RimJob said you shouldn't vote for him :)

You need to be careful here. You are bringing out the gosh honest Blue Truth. All the right is interested in is the "Red Truth" of phony forgery claims.

But this must SNOWBALL!! I can't wait to see how the media deals with these new docs.

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I still think that he needs to focus on his own personal policies that will lead this country is a different direction.

Bush has already said Kerry served honorably. What's Bush going to do, say he changed his mind?

Kerry must make this an issue, in my opinion.

This thread is really good, but is any of the media picking up these new developments?

seem to be (as usual) completely clueless.

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I get to download a PDF document. I have no PDF reader, nor do I want one. How can I get to the document on the USAToday website...I just went there, and cannot find it. What were the comments of USA Today on the 5th memo? Why hasn't anyone picked this up? Where online can I view this document and explanations of it (other than here, of course)???

to read PDFs, plus you won't be able to read them UNLESS you get the FREE reader (go to http://www.adobe.com )

are NOT on the USA Today website? Are they anywhere?

them unless you have a PDF reader, that's the TYPE of file they are. It wouldn't matter if they were on some other website, they would STILL be PDFs.

But, you need Adobe Reader to view the documents. Unfortunately, you can't cut and paste from Adobe Reader; otherwise I would do that for you. The documents really do seem to back up what people are saying in this thread.

You can either use the text or graphics select tool, highlight what you want, then copy and paste away.

These memos have no text in them, so use the graphics select tool and save the contents as a jpeg.

n/m

A PDF (portable document file) is a standard document format used by just about every business on the planet. It is an easy way to package a document for easy display on any computer system. It is an easy way to package CAD drawings and picture files for easy display, and it provides some security features to allow viewing without allowing loss of embedded intelligence or vital details. Many help and FAQ files are in PDF form. the PDF is as ubiquitous as the HTML file you are viewing right now.

Downloading and installing a PDF viewer is easy. Go to:

www.adobe.com/acrobat

and look for the free version. Installation is easy.

The program is not spyware and does not contain spam. It does not affect your computer. It WILL allow you to see many of the files that are so important to discussions on this forum and elsewhere.

You don't know me, but I have an extensive history with computers. I ask that you trust me on this. Acrobat Reader is as necessary a tool for your computer as is your Internet browser and your word processor.

. . . having a PDF reader is as necessary as having a browser. You really need to get one and they're free. You can either use the Reader application separately or install the plug-in for your specific browser and the files will open in your browser window. PDF stands for 'portable document format'. It's becoming the standard in the industry. You're going to miss out on a lot of information if you avoid it for much longer.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

If you don't want to download it from Adobe, you get it from CNET or Tucows or a number of other places. Just type 'Adobe Acrobat Reader free download' into google and take your pick.

TYY

sorry- i really don't get this, can someone please break it down in a synopsis: what's the significance of this new memo(s), etc.

Thank you.

Michael Dobbs of the WaPo was on and he even went as far to say that the experts CBS had have come out and said they havent authenticated anything. This was about an hour ago. WTF??
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I have sent this far and wide...thanks for posting it and welcome! :toast:

Jenn

others. Not flaming, just asking.

One, that another media outlet is looking at content not controversy re faux forgery stuff and;

Two, the 4 memos from CBS have not been proven to be forgeries in ANY way and, indeed, two more have been added that help clarify time lines, etc.

- Imprison Bush indefinitely without benefit of legal council.

- Employ sleep deprivation tactics.

- Make him pose nude and take photos of Bush in an aroused state. Theaten to publish the photos on the cover of the NY Times and Washington Post unless he tells us why he missed his annual physical.

- Hell, let's just round up Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, Bremer, and all the rest of the neocon architects of our Adventures in Iraq. Strip 'em naked, arrange them in a human pyramid, take photos, and see if anyone starts singing like a canary.

CBS = Patriotic News Source!!!

...Nice "trophy" to come home to.

Thank You

...three wingnut bloggers blow smoke out their asses that the Killian memos were forged, and the entire media willingly obliges to do their dirty work for them. Meanwhile, did any of these same media lapdogs bother to investigate and report on the fact that not a single claim of the Shit Boat Vermin for Lies had the slightest relationship to the truth? Unfuckinbelievable.