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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:12 AM
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List all the reasons how employees have benefitted from unions ...
... whether they're in one or not.

I'll start with the eight-hour workday.

Okay, DUers, add your reasons!

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:13 AM
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1. Safety for employee's
My dad was injured working in the steel mills before safety was instituted.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:38 AM
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8. Sorry to hear about your father.
But, you're correct. The biggest difference between American mines and Chinese ones is safety.

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:13 AM
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2. better pay
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:39 AM
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9. So true, I was just about to add "minimum wage," but your's means the same thing. n/t
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:14 AM
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3. Lifting the prevailing wage for comparable work in non-union shops ....
There is wage competition in a healthy marketplace ....

Funny how offshoring has killed all that and replaced security with fear ....

Well .... not so funny ....
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:39 AM
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10. "not so funny" True, but good point. Thank you for posting. n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:14 AM
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4. Here are a few off the top of my head
Sadly, these do not apply to all workers, but if you have them... thank a union member.

Eight hour work day
Forty hour work week
Overtime pay
Family leave
Paid vacation
Health insurance paid for (or at least subsidized by) your employer
Unemployment insurance
Disability
Workplace safety regulations
Pension/retirement benefits
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:40 AM
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11. "if you have them... thank a union member" Well said. Thank you for posting. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:17 AM
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5. LOL - eight hour workday? I have NEVER had that
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:21 AM
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6. I never got it in a union shop either, but I did get
time and a half for every hour over eight worked during the day, double time for every hour worked over forty hours in the week, double time and a half for working Sundays and triple time for holidays. Even though, it seems like I worked shit hours and sometimes anywhere from 50 hours minimum to 80 hours a week tops, I did get paid for it.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:36 AM
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7. Which is what the 8-hour workday gives everyone.
It "penalizes" companies for working employees over 8 hours every day.

Otherwise, everyone would be working 10-, 12-, 14-hour days at less than minimum wage, which wouldn't exist either come to think of it.

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:59 AM
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20. Opps. n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 12:59 AM by ColbertWatcher
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:42 AM
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12. For us working schlubs, we've always had 8-hour days+OT for everything over 8. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:50 AM
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14. I am a working schlub but I work 12, 13 hour nights
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:55 AM
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18. Are you a manger? Do you get paid OT? n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:25 AM
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21. supposed to get OT but bush really f***ed that up
for example, I'm working two extra days this week but no OT because I have a vacation day the same week - so it will be straight time
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:12 AM
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24. But would you normally get OT for working more than 8 hrs/day, 40 hrs/wk? n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:16 PM
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36. supposed to get OT after 48 hours
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:45 AM
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13. FMLA
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 12:48 AM by BrklynLiberal
End of child labor
End of 7 day work week- "If you don't come in Sunday, don't come in Monday"
Cost of living adjustments
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:52 AM
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15. I hated having a union.
I worked in one of the detroit casinos for 5 years and our union was pathetic. They never saved anyone's job. Not ONE! And once the union came in everything changed. The casino I worked at used every single loophole they could find to screw us over and our union reps didn't know what the heck they were doing.

And when they did fire you, and you collected unemployment, after it ran out, the casino would sue you to get the money back. The union did nothing.

We got raises, yeah... but the dues went up as much as the raises. And if you were a tipped employee... forget about it. And forget about going on strike, because if you were one of the 1000 dealers you didn't get the same deal non-tipped employees got. You didn't get 60% of $20 an hour, you got 60% of $7 an hour; but you still paid dues on all of your money.

I don't know, maybe in other professions they work better, but I know in the gambling industry, they suck.

Sorry... that's just been my experience.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:57 AM
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19. You're correct, it sounds like a poorly run union.
You need to find some help from the better ones.

Are you still working at that casino?

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:40 AM
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23. Unfortunately, some unions are just grifters running a business.
You really have to be choosy. Also, some unions are only fronts that are operated behind the scenes by the same companies in order to keep real unions from coming in. I'm suspicious that's what you got.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:25 AM
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26. Yes that is the question. Did he have a real union or a front?
In extreme cases those employees need to take action to replace the union with another union.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:23 AM
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25. Unions are as good as the people they represent.
Or if the members elect a slob they get slob representation.

If there weren't elections for your reps then that was the problem.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:10 PM
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29. They sued you to get unemployment back? WTF?!?
How does that work?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:25 PM
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30. "Let George do it" doesn't work in unions either. PARTICIPATION is essential ...
... in both government and organized labor. The idea that someone ELSE will watch over your interests is CHILDISH nonsense, perpetuated by parentalist autocrats. The fraudulent FACADE of a "union" that's actually a sock puppet for management is a well-known ploy. That any labor force is stupid enough to allow it to go on is testimony to their sloth. Sadly, it's even a habit when it comes to governance.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:49 PM
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39. you hated NOT having a union
Union is as union does.

There is nothing magical about the word "union."

This is like saying that because a person had a bad job, they therefore are better off with no job at all, because they "hated having a job."
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:54 AM
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16. Help you with a lawyer stand up against the big
guys...
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:55 AM
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17. jimmy hoffa

:yoiks:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:50 PM
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27. This is on Wikipedia
Hoffa was born in Crawfordsville, Indiana, on February 14, 1913. His paternal ancestors were Pennsylvanian Germans ("Pennsylvania Dutch"), and Irish-American. Hoffa's father, John Cleveland Hoffa, a coal driller, died of lung disease in 1920. His mother, Viola "Ola" Riddle, took in laundry to keep the family together and the children took after-school jobs. Hoffa later described his mother as a woman "who believed that Duty and Discipline were spelled with capital D's."

In 1922, the Hoffas moved to Clinton, Indiana, for two years, then to the working-class west side of Detroit. Hoffa worked as a delivery boy and dropped out of school in the 9th grade, just as the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression brought massive layoffs and business failures.

A friend, Walter Murphy, advised Hoffa to get into the food business. "No matter what happens, people have to eat," the friend reportedly said. Hoffa lied about his age to get a job at the Kroger Grocery and Baking Company, whose warehouses were near his home. He worked unloading produce from railroad cars for 32 cents an hour. The pay, two-thirds of it in scrip redeemable for food at Kroger's, was considered relatively good for the era in light of growing unemployment and food lines. Warehouse workers were required to report at 4:30 p.m. for a 12-hour shift, but were paid only for time spent unloading produce.

The foreman was "the kind of guy," Hoffa later said, "who causes unions." Called the "Little Bastard" by all the workers, he abused his powers, threatening and firing workers without cause.

Hoffa and his coworkers, including Bobby Holmes, who would also rise in the Teamster hierarchy with Hoffa, bided their time. The harsh reality that one third of American workers remained jobless made them cautious in their organizing efforts.

Finally one night in the spring of 1931, after two workers were fired for going to a food cart for their midnight dinner, the men acted. Hoffa called for a work stoppage just as trucks loaded with Florida strawberries pulled into the warehouse.

Faced with the need to get the perishable cargo into refrigerators quickly, Kroger management agreed to meet with the new leaders the following morning as long as the workers resumed their duties.

After several days of negotiating, Hoffa and his aides had a union contract. It included a raise of 13 cents an hour, the guarantee of at least a half a day's pay per day, a modest insurance plan, and of course, recognition of the union. The new leaders soon applied for and received a charter as Federal Local 19341 of the American Federation of Labor.

Hoffa was fired the following year after a fight with a plant foreman who goaded union leaders into throwing a crate of vegetables on the floor and spraying the boss with assorted vegetable juices. Jimmy claimed in later years that he quit before he could be fired and walked away.

Hoffa next landed a job as a full time union organizer for the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. He took the Kroger union with him into the IBT where its membership was absorbed into Local 299. He and other IBT organizers fought with management in their organizing efforts in the Detroit, Michigan, area.

Hoffa used organized crime connections to shake down an association of small grocery stores. This led to his first criminal conviction, for which he paid a fine. After he rose to a leadership position in Local 299, Hoffa continued to work with organized crime in Detroit, using the threat of labor trouble to induce business to use a mobster controlled clothier (Friedman and Schwarz, 1988).


Union activities

The Teamsters union organized truckers and firefighters, first throughout the Midwest and then nationwide. It skillfully used quickie strikes, secondary boycotts and other means of leveraging union strength at one company to organize workers and win contract demands at others. The union also used less lawful means to bring some employers into line.

Hoffa took over the presidency of the Teamsters in 1957, when his predecessor, Dave Beck, was convicted on bribery charges and imprisoned. Hoffa worked to expand the union and in 1964 succeeded in bringing virtually all North American over-the-road truck drivers under a single national master freight agreement. Hoffa then pushed to try to bring the airlines and other transport employees into the union. This was of great concern to many as a strike involving all transport systems would be devastating for the national economy.

President John F. Kennedy and his successor Lyndon B. Johnson both put pressure on Hoffa through the president's brother Robert F. Kennedy, the Attorney General, attempting to investigate his activities and disrupt his ever-growing union. The Kennedys in particular were sure that Hoffa had pocketed a great deal of union money. Having expelled the Teamsters in the 1950s, the AFL-CIO also disliked Hoffa and aided the Democrats in their investigations.

Hoffa allegedly made sweetheart deals with mob figures, but mob control over the union was exaggerated by the Kennedys and Life Magazine. Hoffa fiercely defended his control over the union. Teamster money was used to build several Las Vegas casinos, and was repaid with interest.

Hoffa was not nearly as beholden to the Mob as to his successor and longtime crony Frank Fitzsimmons, who would have been jailed if he had not died from cancer. While Hoffa was a brilliant tactician who knew how to play one employer against another and who used the union's power to rationalize the industry by driving out weaker employers, "Fitz" was content to gather the other benefits of high office. The deregulation of the trucking industry pushed by Edward Kennedy and others during Fitzsimmons' tenure eventually destroyed much of what Hoffa had won for his members under the National Master Freight Agreement by making it much harder to maintain the standards Hoffa had achieved.

Hoffa's son, James P. Hoffa, is the Teamsters' current leader. His daughter, Barbara Ann Crancer, currently serves as an associate circuit court judge in St. Louis, Missouri.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa

I remember Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters were never stronger than when he was in charge. He was a brilliant tactician and the union members loved him. I was once a member of the Teamsters myself, even after it had been weakened and made to operate in open union shops because of the Taft Hartley Act, and yet I never made more money in my life as then and the company made money because it had decent workers. It works both ways.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:35 AM
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22. there's a danger of trivializing the incredibly high value & importance of unions
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:03 PM
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28. Wages and benefits pressure.
Unions provide ongoing organized upward pressure on wages and benefits that helps maintain and improve the standard of living of both union and non-union workers. Without the upward pressure, wages and benefits can easily collapse under the continuous downward pressure of management profit-seeking/greed.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:37 PM
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32. This is true.
I have known of businesses to pay union wages to their employers so that they would be happy and not organize. But it took competition with businesses who had union workers to do it, or they wouldn't have bothered.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:18 PM
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34. Beautifully put. Thank you for posting. n/t
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:36 PM
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31. my brother lost his life in a union shop
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 01:42 PM by JitterbugPerfume
and the UAW was right there through it all for my sister-in law, seeing to it Chrysler didn't take unfair advantage of her

My deceased husband was Union , and because of it I do not have to spend my last years in abject poverty .I have a pension , and more important , I have healthcare even after the company has failed, the union talkes care of it.

My father was union back when it was not a safe thing to do . He earned a good wage , had safe working conditions, and excellent benefits that allowed him to spend his declining years in comfort
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:20 PM
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35. Thank you for posting.
There was a time not so long ago when it was all too common for people to spend their final days in abject poverty.

I hope we never have to go through that again.

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:42 PM
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33. The creation of middle-class consumers.

What we are seeing right now is the result of decades of shrinking wages. The same businesses that worked so hard to drive down wages are now hurting because there are no longer enough consumers with the money to afford the product of those lower wages. Had our government done its job and protected the workers, our business economy would be humming along beautifully. They reap what they sowed.


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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:20 PM
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37. 40 hour work week n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:21 PM
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38. Child Labor outlawed. n/t
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