Bill Clinton invited Maya Angelou. Barack Obama invites Rick Warren.

Kind of makes you long for a Hillary Clinton inaugural, doesn't it?

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He may be too harsh for some people, but the man speaks the truth at the very least, and he has more soul. FUCK, get some actor to say the prayer. I don't give a fuck, as long as it isn't one of the 'People of the Lie' up there.

and Elizabeth Alexander. There's more to this than just Warren.

or is Ok when a Clinton has a homophobic anti-semite on the platform with him?

Obama was a member of the United Church of Christ. It's a very progressive mainline church
with people who don't think the way Rick Warren does.

Obama's choice is very poor.

At least Hillary probably would have chosen a Methodist.

Billy Graham belongs to? He's an anti-semite and homophobe. And grab a clue, genius, Reverend Lowery is giving the benediction. Who gives a shit what Hillary would have done anyway. She lost. deal with it.

Recently, it's come to light that Graham made antisemitic statements in private conversations with a president, and those tapes have tarnished Graham's image, but Graham was never as outspokenly bigoted as Warren.

Warren has stated that gay marriage is just as bad as incest and bestiality.

and Graham absolutely has been as outspokenly bigoted as Graham.

Having Warren at an inaugural is one bigot too many. We wouldn't need another.

You obviously don't know Hillary if you think that she's a bigot.

Looking for a link to post. Wow. Just beautiful.

http://www.technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/article.php?story=20060306143618281

speak at both of his inaugurations. That doesn't excuse Obama but at least pro marriage equality Reverend Lowery is giving the benediction.

Doesn't it make you wish for a Mercer inauguration.

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I am quite happy that Warren is first because that means there will be a lot of stuff happening right after that will hopefully cancel out any gain he might have had(and he has already lost some freeper support by simply agreeing to attend) nor do i expect anything impressive from whatever he says.

Now Lowery on the other hand i expect to be quite mind-blowing in his benediction and since he is doing the closing a lot more people will remember his words which is a very good thing since i have a feeling he will be very inclusive(another rather awesome thing in my mind is that the Lesbian and Gay Band Association will march in the inaugural parade which is the first time such a group have done so that I'm aware of.)

The Return of those folks

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This whole naming a cabinet and other decisions would have been much more perfectly palatable if Obama had simply left all of the thinking and choices up to DU.

Thinking is not allowed, only trust.

The day doesn't begin and end with Rich Warren.

Actually, we would have gotten worse with Hillary Clinton because we wouldn't have even gotten a Rev Lowery. The Cabinet choices are very nearly what she would have chosen, so the Hillary supporters ought to be jumping up and down. I rolled the dice for change and lost, that's all.

Oh well.

The cabinet picks don't bother me on the whole -- most policy will come from the staff and there isn't evidence that Jones or Susan Rice, for example, who are going to be key players on foreign policy - are Clintonites.

Overall, his cabinet picks seem to lean centrist, but overall the policies he's pushing are very progressive and a big change from the '90s.

But this Rick Warren thing has me annoyed.

Salazar, Vilsack, Duncan, Hillary -- I'm just not near as enthused as I was. This is what I was fighting against. Like I say, oh well. This is what we would have had with Hillary anyway, so we didn't really lose anything. *sigh*

He's won raves from everyone I've heard in Chicago and he has good relations with both the unions and the reformist camp.

Again, I'm more concerned about the policy aspect. And for the most part, Obama's policy directions seem to be very good. Major outreach to the Middle East, redeployment from Iraq, universal health care, energy independence, and major economic stimulus.

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Hold me.

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Thanks for that.

your asshole flamebait.

But let me spell it out for you:
Y-O-U-R O-P I-S S-H-I-T.

I never said you couldn't post bullshit. It's your right to share with us your obnoxious flamebait.

an evangelical a$$hole to to give the prayer at her Inaugural. Or maybe it is for people who
can't stand the idea that Obama isn't the Messiah and can do no wrong.

He blew it this time.

PS: I voted Obama in the primary and in the election. It doesn't mean I don't support him
just because I criticize his decision.

I don't agree that Clinton would've done better, given who her husband chose.

to come to another Inaugural. I really, really doubt that Hillary would have invited
the likes of Warren to give a prayer.

Oh... Oh man... Seriously? You haven't read the first amendment, have you?

And Elizabeth Alexander...

Here's who Obama has going: Poet Elizabeth Alexander, who was a finalist for the 2005 Pulitzer Prize, is also a headliner.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/inauguration-watch/2008/12/inaugural_poet_selected_elizab.html?hpid=topnews

The Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies announced today that Elizabeth Alexander, a prize-winning poet at Yale University who grew up in Washington, will read at the swearing in next month of President-elect Barack Obama.

It is the first time that “poetry’s old-fashioned praise,” as Robert Frost called it, will be featured at the ceremony since Bill Clinton's second swearing in back in 1997.

Alexander, 45, would be only the fourth poet to read at a swearing in after Frost, who read at John F. Kennedy’s in 1961; Maya Angelou, who read at Clinton’s in 1993; and Miller Williams, who read in 1997, according to government officials.

And said she didn't support gay marriage and did not support a repeal of DOMA?

Yeah. I sure am longing to feed at that trough.

what the hell some Democrats are thinking?

that has anything whatsoever to do with this.

That's a fact!

Right?
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Right??
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Oh.

United Church of Christ. I've been a member of a UCC congregation. No way in hell would a true
UCC member invite this evangelical a$$hole to give a prayer at an Inaugural.

Obama blew it. Plain and simple.

Let's hold our powder and keep it dry. The guy hasn't even been inaugurated FGS...and as someone who watched Carter and Clinton (hopes and dreams) go down because they weren't "inclusive enought" in their Presidential Picks for Cabinet ...I've gotta hope that we Dems have LEARNED SOMETHING...after all these years of flub ups.

I'll get my Pitchfork out about a month after inauguration. It's sitting by my back door and I won't hesitate to get it out and march with the Peasants if he starts to fail us...

Give him a break. The whole EMPIRE IS ON HIS TAIL!

Man-o-man! WHERE have all these pitchforks been for the last 8 years? Where are they TODAY after the sitting executive officers have just ADMITTED THEIR CRIMES LIVE AND ON CAMERA? :shrug:

"People" did not know there were folks fighting for them. It's sad...but the real TRUTH of it. Been here since after the Selection of 2000....I can tell you, we worked our butts off but no one cared, at that time.

Obama has run the risk that the person who'll be remembered from his Inaugural will be this a$$hole, Warren.

Maybe Aretha will give the best National Anthem ever? Or Maybe we'll remember it for Obama's speech.

WTF are you smoking?

Will he be able to contain himself? Who knows?

I can guarantee his prayer will be nothing of the sorts.

to "deliver from his heart"--his heart full of hate.

I also remember Aretha Franklin.

P.S. In all seriousness, I actually taught suburban white kids what we called then "Black Literature": Langston Hughes, Paul Laurence Dunbar, Gwendolyn Brooks, Ossie Davis, Richard Wright, etc. "Still Here" is one of my faves.

MA's Inaugural poem? Not so much!

supposed to be a member of a misogynistic, anti-gay church. So what's his point?

Billy Graham is anti-semitic and homophobic but it's okay because Bill Clinton is a member of the same church as him? That makes no sense whatsoever.

to inviting this evangelical, misogynistic, bigot to give a prayer at his Inaugural? He's not even
a member of the same denomination as the church to which Obama belongs.

on? Is this the logical route you are seriously trying to take?

in favor of equal rights, pro-choice and adamantly pro-intellectual/science.

Obama has gone off his rocker giving this guy a forum at the Inaugural.

To get more people to vote for him. You really think that Clinton invited Billy Graham just because he was a fellow Baptist? I guarantee you Stan Greenberg did a poll telling Clinton precisely how well Billy Graham would help improve his appearance among key demographics.

Where do you get that from?

In his later life, he became an independent evangelist, but he is of from reformed presbyterian theology, background, and practice.

Not Maya Angelou

So I am not sure that is the most apt analogy. Although I get your gist.

Perhaps do a direct one-to-one comparison and find out who did Clinton's invocation, and what that person's views were/are, etc.

I have already been accused of being mad only because i am a hillary supporter who is reverting back into primary mode so i really don't appreciate it when people use this situation to do THAT. I am gay and this actually bothers me.

I did add the sarcasm thingie to my OP.

What I really wanted to say was that I'm concerned Obama has chosen someone who has the
opportunity to overshadow the Inaugural with his misogyny and bigotry.

because i was a hillary supporter in the primaries. i apologize for assuming what somebody else implied.:hi:

It's been about six months since Skinner said that such people would be shown to the door.

I wonder when that starts?

Which is why my comments on Angelou should be taken with a molecule of sodium chloride. It's one of the worst angles (of many) this entire issue could take. I was trying to impart how the logic of the OP was flawed, but I sure as hell wasn't going to take the time to do the dirty work of looking up the preacher or whoever did the invocation way back when. This isn't about then vs now or Clinton vs Obama.

They're not even performing the same tasks for the inaugural.

an African American -- Elizabeth Alexander

From her home page :

Elizabeth Alexander is a poet, essayist, playwright, and teacher. She is the author of four books of poems, The Venus Hottentot, Body of Life, Antebellum Dream Book, and American Sublime, which was one of three finalists for the 2005 Pulitzer Prize. She is also a scholar of African-American literature and culture and recently published a collection of essays, The Black Interior. She has read her work across the U.S. and in Europe, the Caribbean, and South America, and her poetry, short stories, and critical prose have been published in dozens of periodicals and anthologies. She has received many grants and honors, most recently the Alphonse Fletcher, Sr. Fellowship for work that “contributes to improving race relations in American society and furthers the broad social goals of the U.S. Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education decision of 1954,” and the 2007 Jackson Prize for Poetry, awarded by Poets and Writers. She is a professor at Yale University, and for the academic year 2007-2008 she is a fellow at the Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard University.

..and make comments about how one had better "people".

I would have been perfectly happy with a Clinton inaugural. I'd like to believe that everyone else here would have picked her over McCain.

Oops! A fact flying right in front of you! Whoops!

If you want to know how Hillary feels about gay people read what Neel Lattimore (her press secretary when she was First Lady) wrote about it. Both Clintons have hired openly gay people since their AR days and they have quite a few gay friends too. Hillary would have never given Warren such an important and symbolic spot in her inauguration.

It was only talked about like crazy during the primaries.

Here is a link, but you should really learn to look stuff up and not rely on hand holding.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html?welcome=true

YOUR pathetic ass to provide proof.

And if you didn't all ready know this then you didn't pay attention to a god damn thing around here during the primaries.

I'm not into holding people's hands. Fuck people who need a link for every single thing said. I have more important things to do than YOUR homework.

and sob about the president elect is funny. banky will make it all better;

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"Kind of makes you long for a Hillary Clinton inaugural, doesn't it?"

No-- about the only things it makes me long for is the ideal of both dignity and class in posts rather than back-handed compliments, advertising a long since finished primary... usually self-perceived as clever.

one thing I am sure of - Clinton would not have done something THIS boneheaded. Plenty of other stuff I am sure I would have disagreed with or been disappointed in. I do not eleavte Clinton but rather express deep anger with this gratuitous put-down.

This goes deep. Clinton got the gay rights thing. She would never have made this a particular mistake. Her mistakes would have been elsewhere.

But NONE of them would have been elevating an anti-semite or a misogynist or a racist or a homophobe.

This goes to heart of who counts/ get included in America.

Obama clearly does not have a clue.

I am deeply disappointed. It hurts.

This does not make me anti-Obama.