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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:21 PM
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When you legitimize someone with a high honor, are you not
approving of their words and actions also?? Logic would seem to dictate it so.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:24 PM
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1. It seems so to me. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:25 PM
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2. If not, then why isn't Reverend Wright included? nt
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:34 PM
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12. Politics
I'm sure he would have been if the media had not made such an issue of his more radical sermons. I defended Obama over that even though I found some of Wright's sermons offensive, and I would have defended him if he had had Wright do the prayer at his inauguration. I don't think it's an endorsement of the pastor's views, and I think it's worth noting that Warren has encouraged evangelicals to do more to focus on poverty in addition to the social wedge issues. I do think it's sad that pastors who bash gays are considered acceptable in American society while Reverend Wright was considered so offensive, but that's the political reality. Obama probably would have had Wright do the prayer at his inauguration had the media not made such a shitstorm and forced Obama to sever ties with Wright or give up his chance to be president.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:25 PM
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3. Why honor someone who you disagree with? Why honor
a bigot?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:31 PM
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10. fundamentally, they agree on the religious implications of gay marriage. nt.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:26 PM
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4. What you are saying is: This person matters. This person, and what they stand for, deserve respect.
This person, and the hateful ideology they wield, is acceptable to me.

That is what you are saying.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:27 PM
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5. You can respect someone without agreeing with them
Obama is legitimizing Rick Warren as a human being, not any of his political positions
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:37 PM
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15. Obama is legitimizing Warren's religious hatred.
Warren is praying at the pulpit. Warren teaches religiously inspired bigotry from his church pulpit.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:28 PM
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20. Do you respect white supremacists?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:29 PM
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6. This person has voters that I want for my re-election.
and the people upset by this will have no where else to go (given no primary) and four years to get over it.

That's what is being said.

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:29 PM
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7. There's a piece on Huffington post
too lazy to link..but I was surprised that it says they he and Warren are friends and he was thanked by Obama in his Audacity of Hope book.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:30 PM
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8. Yep, just like when the President of the United States sits down
with unaligned world leaders, it gives them legitimacy.

:sarcasm:

I despise this twisted logic. Can you find no way to slam the fuckbag Warren and voicing you're utter distaste for including him in this event without relying on this pissant argument to do it?

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:36 PM
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14. That's a really good point
At his core, on of the main things Obama is all about as a politician and as a person is about bringing people together and finding common ground even when there might be contentious differences on issues. In many ways, the arguments being made by people here about Warren are not that different from those who attacked Obama's plan to meet with rogue foreign leaders, or those who attacked him for his membership in Reverend Wright's church.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:40 PM
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16. That's not the same thing
Talking to an enemy or unaligned world leader is not an honor. It's just an act. You can assign whatever you believe about that act.
But giving someone the spotlight as your personal choice of religious/ spiritual leader to give the prayer of the very first thing of your presidency is either an honor or nothing "big" to Du'ers who don't care about gay marriage or women's rights.

Obama doesn't pick the leader of Iran but he picked this dude. It was his choice. Maybe it's not an honor. Maybe Obama will stop him from speaking and mock him openly on national t.v. but I kinda doubt it.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:05 PM
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18. Thank you. You said it better than I.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:05 PM
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17. I honestly dont see the connection. When he is sitting down
with world leaders its for specific reasons. Name one good reason other than political expediency that he is "sitting down" with a homophobe?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:30 PM
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9. Yes. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:33 PM
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11. yes, absolutely you are
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:34 PM
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13. Look at it this way
When Warren prays or whatever he's going to do.....he is there with a man who does not walk the line on fundi ideas. Warren is the one who will be compromising his "principles" in this aspect.
Obama has taken the radical and put him on stage with the liberal and in this instance it's the liberals party. Liberal trumps fundi.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:08 PM
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19. No question about it
Historians will look back at the last years of the 20th Century and conclude that the biggest mistake America, its mass media and the Democratic party made was enabling and legitimizing fundamentalists, rather than ridiculing them- and relegating them back to the fringe where they belong (and where they remained in other western nations).
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