So when can we expect the announcement of a Klansman speaker on Inaug Day?

It would certainly be the "post-partisan" thing to do, building bridges and whatnot. I'm certain the people here defending the choice of Rick Warren (or at least shrugging their shoulders) would likewise defend the choice of an openly racist hate-monger (or at least shrug their shoulders)...

Right?

he needs to REACH OUT!1

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thing for me. because if you are, you can seriously fuck right off. I don't support (((any)) centrists.

then no one else should say anything?

Unless you can point me to the link showng the lynchings and murders taking place at Saddleback...

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rather than face telling Saddleback parents they were gay?

You believe that manufacturerres of violent video games are directly responsible for the criminal acts bsed on their games?

Blacks vs. Gays?

Wonderful.
This helps a lot.

that it is reaching out and we should just get over it. Well, why wouldn't that be the case with a Klansan?

and, if many believe in making this a protest issue that will further the cause,
then they should go for it.
If it ends up dividing people even further, than at least Obama can be blamed .
After all, he probably made this specific choice either to piss off Gay Activists,
or he made this choice in his sincere belief that if he could open some opposing minds
and have them listen to what he had to say, he could advance the cause for human rights further.

I'm of the opinion that just like he said he would meet with his foreign enemies,
that this applied to domestic ones as well.
I believe that he considers his inauguration speech to be an opportunity
to speak to millions of those who do not think as he does on this and other issues.
He may be wrong, or he may be right.

Throwing in the Klan may be effective, or it may not.
We will soon know......

if Hillary had a person giving her invocation that was as racist as Warren is homophobic we both would be rightly criticing her. The difference is you obviously don't give a shit about homophobia.

I'll have to remember that next time......

anytime gays have anything to say about Obama's actions you decide we don't matter. You clearly don't give a rats ass about gays.

This choice honors bigotry in a very public way.

it's about why some forms of bigotry are tolerated in the name of "reaching out".

not just some.

and no matter what the reason.

First it was the "Prop 8 is the blacks' fault" meme. Then it was the "all blacks are the enemy" meme. Then it was the "let's vote to bring back slavery" meme.

Now it's the "let's have the Klan give the invocation" meme.

Do we see a pattern here?

Duh!

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That's why I posted it.

It is about the fact that bigotry should not be tolerated against either group. Period.

But thank you Sillyflower for building that pretty strawman. :)

Until you see the validity of the argument, we have no business discussing ANYTHING with you, as with other IGNORANT people...

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...which always struck me as a little gay. :hide:

Obviously Obama disagrees with them, so there's no problem there.

does that count?

God, it hurts to even parody a thought that stupid. :rofl:

.... that perhaps this Obama dude is alright ..... that maybe all minorities/Democrats/liberals/whatever aren't as bad as they thought. And if that act gets them to change THEIR very behaviour and way of thinking...... then I'll take it.

...I'd be willing to be less outraged by the Warren/McClurkin shit ... transferring instead half the outrage to THAT choice as well. And I don't mean a reformed racist, I mean a fucking white-hooded, cross-burning, hate-spewing, makes-Baby-Jesus-cry out-and-out racist.

that wouldn't change my view of Obama. I still know where Obama stands, regardless of who is giving an invocation or sitting in the same room with him. I guess it's just a matter of your initial trust in him to begin with.

fellow Klansmen!

Those white sheets? Don't mean a thing, just...turn the other way.

Women who have abortions are sub-human..by the way

the other apologist idiots will never...