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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:33 PM
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Rick Warren & Joseph Lowery - Playing both ends against the middle
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Rick Warren & Joseph Lowery - Playing both ends against the middle

Pretty much everywhere on the left side of the blogosphere Obama's pick of Rick Warren to invocate his inauguration is being criticized - heartily criticized mostly. And rightly so.

Warren is not only homophobic, but a creationist, believes that pro-choice people are "holocaust deniers," and as an article in The Nation put it, "...thinks his AIDS relief efforts represent an elevated form of Christianity over those non-evangelical do-gooders whom he compares to Marxists because they're more interested in good works than salvation."

Obama seems to have another "pastor problem."

Maybe he should rid himself of all pastor hangers-on.

It appears Obama is playing both ends against the middle. Or trying to mollify the middle. At the beginning, Warren will call upon god to bless the event, and Obama's asked The Rev. Joseph Lowery to thank god for doing the will of Rick when it's all over.

Lowery, 87, former pastor of Atlanta's Cascade United Methodist Church, is "a stalwart of the civil rights movement and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference."

Lowery is also a supporter of same-sex marriage.


Lowery is grateful for the opportunity to benedict at Obama's inauguration.

But Obama screwed up. Playing both ends against the middle has already pissed off both ends and got the middle confused.

And why do we need these nods to god at a secular inauguration of a secular nation, anyway? How about a nice welcome, some music, celebrity posings, the oath of office and finish it up with Obama saying, "Let's do it!"

http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2008/12/rick-warren-joseph-lowery-playing-both.html


Another perspective
Reverend Joseph E. Lowery Will Get the Last Word at President Obama’s Inauguration
By: dmac Wednesday December 17, 2008 8:55 pm
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2512

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.


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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:37 PM
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1. Thom Hartmann is praising the choice of Rick Warren. He is making a lot
of sense too.
For one thing, it will encourage his followers to watch Obama's speech.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:39 PM
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3. He makes a very good point.
n/t
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:38 PM
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2. Yep,
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:44 PM
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4. It would appear that folks are ignoring your thread
and all other threads that point out that Lowery shares the platform.

I K&R your thread, maybe some folks will pay attention.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:45 PM
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5. Well, it's probably my own fault. Being on DU's "Most Ignored List" and all
:rofl:

But thanks for the kick.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:47 PM
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6. LOL, I think I may well be on that same list.
I'm not one of the "popular kids" so my posts go ignored and my threads sink.

Maybe we should form a club ;)

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:49 PM
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9. I have seen the Lowery pick, I don't see how it negates Warren.
What is is supposed to do, sort of average things out?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:53 PM
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11. Well, yeah.
Maybe Lowery will rub off on Warren and the scales will fall from his eyes.

My bet is that Lowery's benediction will be more powerful than Warren's invocation and neither of them will equal Obama's inauguration address.

And really, don't you think appointing gays to his cabinet means more policy wise than any prayer?

Personally, the only inauguration "event" I remember is Kennedy's.

That and the throwing eggs at Bush's limos.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:48 PM
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7. I don't think having Lowery is good enough for some
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:49 PM
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8. Nothing is good enough for some.
n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:50 PM
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10. True
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 12:51 PM by Jennicut
But any argument made other then Obama made a huge mistake will not be tolerated here.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:44 PM
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12. but, but
they are the people that are harmed because others won't be tolerant

seems sort of odd and is definitely very sad.

Personally, I think Obama inviting the two opposites to take part is just another example of how he wants to bring the opposing sides together to find a common goal. Maybe, with any luck, Lowery will rub off on Warren and he will see how harmful his position is.

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