If Obama does not support gay rights should he lose the votes of the gay community in 2012?

edited: Took "enough" out as Obama either supports gay rights or he doesn't

policy.

If, when he is president, he ignores the civil rights of ALL citizens, then he will not have my vote in 2012.

He hasn't even been sworn in yet.

(Besides...who you going to support...Caribou Barbie? )

And that should go for all progressives, not just gays. If he turns out to be a centrist turncoat, progressives need to start fielding some competition for him in the '12 primaries.

a decent job.. there won't be a primary in '11. Bush sucked ass, and he ran unopposed in '04.

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It's a simple fact, if he doesn't stick up for the people who supported him in the first place, many of them will simply stay home.

Some will even vote Republican.

Last time I thought about it, this issue is a human rights issue and consequently we all should care about it. But to answer your question: progressives, liberals, and people who care about human rights have few choices here. If we do not support the crap-infested stand for nothing corrupt Democratic Party, we get the theocratic, fascist corrupt Republican Party instead. We aren't happy with our choices. I haven't been happy with my choices on election day for 36 years. I thought perhaps this time might be different, but it seems that change really means 'more of the same only not quite as bad'.

accomplishes until after he is sworn in.

if he turns out to be a real centrist Dem, more like Bill Clinton. It was just a question.

Warren only wants to make sure you never have equal rights, try to be more tolerant dear.






































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It also means we don't care about REAL GL:BT news, only about whining. She and t"The Other Jen" think so. She also likes our little buddy's perspective on Warren -- you know, the "not the same level of civil rights" guy.

Hey Jen, just reporting the news, not making it.

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I feel really bad making anyone upset over just a post. I don't think of you guys as "intolerant". I don't know what to think anymore. I'm just kind of depressed that Obama messed up so badly. I think I am done with politics for awhile, I am just too sensitive a person for it.

If Obama is successful, gays and all people should support him because he would be nothing short of a miracle worker.

And if a person's enlightened self-interest is not best-served by a particular candidate, then of course they should not vote for that candidate.

Supporting "enough" is far too flexible a standard to have any meaning. He'll support some rights and he'll not want to take on other controversies.

The complaining is NOT about supporting Obama in 2012. The complaints are about him insulting oppressed Americans right now with an insensitive choice and his tacit approval of a man who stands against their civil rights.

I resent people dumbing this question down to "Well, do you support the president or not?" I've had eight years of that bullshit and I expect better from my fellow Democrats.

I won't post about it any more.

It's really simple...

and I think that's demonstrably false. Gay people are no more lockstep and single issue than straights.

As a straight person convinced that "gay rights" are simply human rights, if I feel Obama is insufficiently supportive, I intend to be damned vocal about it. It would take an awful lot for him to lose my vote in '12, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. Having said that, I think Warren's invocation was a stupid, stupid choice, but it's far from a dealbreaker, and I think most people on DU, even the angriest about this, would say the same thing.

It's astounding to me how tightly the wagons circled when the perfectly understandable and justified discontent about this started filling up the board, and how intellectually hollow most of the arguments defending the decision seem.

I guess my question to you would be: why doesn't the Warren choice make you angry too?

And I think he has lost a lot of the gay members of the Dem party over this. I wonder why he made such a stupid mistake and I am depressed about Obama's presidency already. I think he just is too inexperienced and does not understand that making a huge group angry like this is a big mistake.

And I agree that he's put a lot of good will at risk. Warren was a foolish and unnecessary choice, and it baffles me how so surefooted a politician could plant his foot in this particular bucket.

If his opponent is running on a platform of executing all Gay people, then you'd have to be one really stupid Gay person to not support Obama.

If his opponent is running on a platform to do more for Gay people than Obama already has by that point, then it might make sense to support Obama depending on what other issues are important to you and how Obama and his opponent compare.