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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:34 PM
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Someone should tell Obama the campaign is over. HE WON
Why pull a Palin and court the nutcase-homophobe-bigot vote now?

:shrug:

Pissing away his political capital and he hasn't even taken office yet.

:eyes:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:35 PM
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1. no shit. somebody needs to tell his sorry fucking DU apologists
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:36 PM by jonnyblitz
this also.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:56 PM
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35. if you hate the DEMOCRATIC president so much
why the FUCK are you on this site????
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:35 PM
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2. Actually, he is pissing off both ends of the political spectrum, which tells me he likely knows what
he is doing.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:37 PM
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5. People voted for him on ECONOMIC issues, not wedge bullshit
Way to piss off the people who believed in "Hope and Change."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM
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12. They voted against Bush. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:39 PM
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But yet you're angry that he isn't playing wedge politics.
Wedge politics have their place, yes. I'm not saying they don't. Some things really are right versus wrong. And kicking Warren because of his stance on a wedge issue is absolutely playing wedge politics.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:40 PM
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15. Which is why is he not giving people any wedge bullshit issues to use against him
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:37 PM
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8. so pissing off people concerned about civil rights means he
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM by jonnyblitz
knows what he is doing? what DO you people who deem yourselves centrists actually care about? I find it interesting what you apologists deem fringe issues. it's very fucking telling.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:50 PM
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32. I'm a liberal who supports gay marriage. I was against Prop. 8. Forgive me if I am not tearing down
everything in my house in a blind rage because of Obama being consistent with everything he has written in his books about reaching across the aisle.

He hasn't changed his policy positions on gay issues. He hasn't made Warren an advisor of any sort.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:41 PM
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21. +1 ...
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:36 PM
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3. Someone should tell
the cousins of the right-wing extremers that Obama is the country's president.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:36 PM
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4. He gained more political capital with the move than you will ever understand.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:37 PM
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7. Enlighten me
:shrug:
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:39 PM
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14. Maybe some of you don't understand but politics is played inside AND outside
washington.

Let me ask you, if there is a bill on the table to severely limit the patriot act is the LGBT community going to be against it?

NO!!!

What this does is get some of religous nuts to IGNORE or support some of the more progressive things he wants to get done.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:42 PM
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24. Ah -- got it -- Gays are expendable
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:45 PM
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26. Apparently
:eyes:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:46 PM
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27. I can't believe they just said that
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:47 PM
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29. No, you just said that.
When someone believes they're a nail, everything looks like a hammer.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:46 PM
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28. Did you stop to think that maybe by doing this he can soften them to working
on the issues the LGBT community cares about?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:48 PM
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30. That won't EVER happen, and you know that
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:51 PM
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33. Eh maybe not BUT there are other issues that affect the LGBT community
indirectly that this may help with
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:48 PM
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31. He doesn't need their permission! They're fringe nutjobs
But then, you already know this.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:22 PM
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42. When were we ever not expendable?
We should be used to that loud THUMP THUMP as the wheels pass over and we look up to see the underside of the bus. Nothin' new here, keep moving right along. Same shyte every election: they need the LGTBQ vote to get over the top, can't do without it, promise this time we'll hear back from them after the election, yeahreallyhonest! Until this time, pols have always had the decency to wait until after the swearing-in to throw us under the bus. I'll give him credit, though, buddy; he didn't even wait to get in office before rubbing our faces in it. Now that's change we can believe in!

Honest to Pete, he could have picked a thousand other officiants. No. NooOOOOOoooo. He had to reach out to the very most offensive pick he could find, right on the heels of Prop 8. Nice. Real nice timing, real nice sensitivity there.

Yes, it's nice to know we still matter as much as we ever did. :sarcasm:
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM
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10. But in what way?
What does he have to gain by this?
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:40 PM
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18. Getting some of the "Right" off his back so he can get the tougher more
progressive issues through without massive blowback.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:37 PM
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6. He's actually doing the opposite of what Palin would do.
Palin would have someone who has the full support of her political base--and who pisses off everyone else--speak. Obama is having someone with broad appeal--but who pisses off a significant portion of his base--speak.

As Bush learned the hard way, political capital is most quickly pissed away by governing to the base.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:39 PM
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13. No. McCain/Palin fucked up because the couldn't pull out traditional Repubs
They went for their shrinking nutjob base.

Fiscally conservative, non-wedge voters either crossed over to Obama or didn't vote.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:40 PM
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17. Yep. They went to their base, and focused on wedge issues above all.
Which is what you're demanding Obama do.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:42 PM
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22. LOL Economic issues are now "wedge" issues?
Holy Raptor Jesus!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:44 PM
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25. That makes no sense whatsoever. Economic issues have nothing to do with Warren,
except inasmuch as Warren is in favor of global anti-poverty measures. This entire discussion is whether Obama should play wedge politics and uninvite a speaker because of his stance on a particular wedge issue.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:55 PM
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34. Yeah, I get it, I get it. It's back to politics as usual
Marginalize and disappear the voters most likely to be interested in economic issues.

Maybe we can get it down to just 10% of the population voting.

:eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:02 PM
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37. Again, it's the opposite of that.
"Politics as usual" is inviting people who agree with your base and telling everyone else to fuck off, because you're in charge and you do what you please. Obama is, shockingly, making an appeal to the public at large.

Also: GLBT are "most likely to be interested in economic issues?" If that's really the case, why would they be "disappeared" by a speaker who has unsavory opinions on gay rights, but who will not be talking about such opinions?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:04 PM
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39. Why didn't Rick Warren actively campaign with Obama?
Gosh golly gee. Could have really appealed to the 'public at large.'
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:10 PM
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40. Probably because Mr. Warren believes that the stature of his church, himself, and his brand
would not be improved by campaigning with either Mr. Obama or Mr. McCain. He does have a tax-exempt status to protect, of course. I'm pretty sure that he would lean more towards McCain were he to choose one of the two, but he's not exactly a Hagee or a Falwell either.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:22 PM
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41. His stature will certainly improve now. This is an endorsement from Obama.
Everyone knows who Obama is.

Few know who this fundy nutjob is.

But they will soon...
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:41 PM
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20. Good point. nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM
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9. There are the 2010 midterm congressional elections and his 2012 reelection campaign to consider
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 PM
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11. Ummmm... Palin's bag was "guilt by association"...

See how well it works?

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:40 PM
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16. No. You "win" by getting your agenda through Congress.
There's more to politics than elections.

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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:41 PM
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19. Maybe a ploy to keep the crowds down in Washington?
:sarcasm:
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:42 PM
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23. You guys are arguing over nothing, it's not like a law was passed. Would you stop a repeal of NAFTA
or the Patriot act over this? NOOOO!

So stop getting all riled up over it.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:57 PM
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36. GET OVER IT
Got it
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:03 PM
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38. Okie Dokie.
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