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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:33 PM
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Winning Battles or Winning Wars, will Warren provide cover for repealing DOMA?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 02:35 PM by whoneedstickets
While I'm upset about the Warren invocation decision I think some of the outrage expressed in GD has tended to be disproportionate to the actual magnitude of the event. Obama is throwing a bone to evangelicals by calling up a famous brand-name fundie. Yes, this political move comes at the expense of the GBLT community. So the question is: if the GBLT community is to be asked to bear the cost of this political tactic, what possible benefits might the future bring to offset this burden? One possibility might be that this move provides some cover for the repeal of DOMA. Obama has suggested he would repeal and now has the votes.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/06/doma/

If this is the long range goal--as it should be--how consequential is the short term symbolism? I say let the fundies have their moment and then when the DOMA repeal battle begins, perhaps one of their foot soldiers--Warren--will be sidelined.


On edit:

After posting I was reminded of the adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" that's how I read this bit of political theater.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:34 PM
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1. no
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:35 PM
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2. Barack Obama isn't going to repeal DOMA for years
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:37 PM
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3. Yes, clearly that's much worse than....never....
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:03 PM
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11. I actually doubt he will repeal it
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:24 PM
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14. Like the Illinois ENDA
once he's gone and moved on to whatever he wants to do afterward, we might get an actual ally to push it through.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:40 PM
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4. not a chance. Warren will be vocal and not sidelined
if there is an attempt to repeal DOMA
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:53 PM
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8. The probability of Warren being vocal before the invocation invitation was what ...1...
What is the probability after? If it is less than 1 how much less does it need to be to constitute progress?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:54 PM
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9. so you think Obamas gonna repeal DOMA before
the invocation?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:41 PM
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5. I think so. In fact, I think that's the strategy. While the MSM & blogosphere stays stuck
on the meme of Obama throwing gays under the bus, Obama will be quietly repealing anti-gay legislation. Nobody will know what happened and I suspect that he will still be bashed and described as homophobic by some.
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Bravehammer Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:42 PM
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6. How does this sideline Warren?
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"- yea, maybe he could keep b*sh and ch*ney around as advisors.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:49 PM
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7. No, they are powerless now...
that should be obvious to anyone watching this lame duck session.
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Bravehammer Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:03 PM
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10. Answer the question.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:49 AM
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12. But how indicative of repealing DOMA is the Warren invitation?
If anything, it implies that repealing DOMA has become less likely than in November.

Here's Greenwald's piece from today:

How new is Obama's New Politics?
...
Ultimately, these disputes can't really be resolved until Obama is in office. Only then will we know whether Obama's embrace of every establishment and even right-wing figure he can find is a reflection of what the substance of his governing will be, or whether -- as many of his supporters claim -- it's a master strategy designed to diffuse tension and hostility in order to enable easier enactment of his progressive agenda. If Obama devotes genuine efforts to repealing DOMA and don't-ask-don't-tell, I doubt anyone will care how many times he hugs Rick Warren -- just as if Obama really closes Guantanamo, withdraws from Iraq and forges a diplomatic peace with Iran, few people will care how much he embraces Joe Lieberman -- though obviously those are very, very large "ifs." Only time will tell.

But there is one aspect of the worldview of many Obama supporters that I find genuinely difficult to understand. These supporters insist that by symbolically including and sometimes compromising with even those on the Right with whom he vigorously disagrees, Obama will be able to chip away at the partisan hostilities and resentments, and erode the cultural divisions, that have inflamed and paralyzed our politics. People on the Right may disagree with him, claim these supporters, but they won't be wallowing in rage, suspicions, and hatred towards him. Instead, they'll feel respected and accommodated. They therefore won't be distracted by petty sideshow controversies. As a result, he'll encounter less reflexive resistance to implementing the key parts of his progressive agenda. A New Politics will emerge: one of respectful and civil disagreements, but not consumed by crippling partisan and cultural hatreds.

The one question I always return to when I hear this -- and we've been hearing it a lot to explain the Warren selection -- is this: in what conceivable sense is this approach "new"? Even for those who are convinced this will work, isn't this exactly the same thing Democrats have been doing for the last two decades: namely, accommodating and compromising with the Right in the name of bipartisan harmony and a desire to avoid partisan and cultural conflicts? This harmonious approach may be many things, but the one thing it seems not to be is "new."
...
What did all of those post-partisan, cultural outreach efforts generate? Hatred so undiluted that it led to endless investigations, accusations whose ugliness was boundless, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and ultimate impeachment over a sex scandal. Bill Clinton was anything but a cultural or partisan warrior. He was the opposite. And that was what he had to show for it.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/12/19/obama/
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:08 PM
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13. That's what I'm thinking. NT
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 12:09 PM by Clio the Leo
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:08 PM
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15. Huh? Do you believe anyone will remember the invocation a month after the inauguration?
It will have zero effect, IMO.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:10 PM
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16. Gays will remember


But once they see that Obama has enacted POLICIES to their liking, they will forgive.



...at least most of them.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:15 PM
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17. I meant any fundamentalists
Since the original topic is bringing fundamentalists to Obama's side, to "provide cover" for ending DOMA.
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