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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:14 PM
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I Really Hope Obama Listens to the Earful We Have Sent Him
I hope he realizes the mistake he made. I'd liked to see him renege on the prayer offer, but with the release of 'talking points', I don't see that happening.

So, we are likely stuck with a bigoted pastor to END chimpy's administration. We will have the rest of the gala events, then Obama's speech. We will then usher in the start of Obama's Administration with a Progressive Pastor, the start of a new way.

This may be the symbolism he seeks. I think it is ill advised, a disgusting choice, and a mistake.

I hope that Obame takes the opportunity of the stage and his first speech as President of the United States to speak passionately on GLBT Rights. I hope that he realizes how important this is and that we are largely dependent on a empathetic administration to advance rights for everyone. It will be up to him to tell the country how wrong bigot warren's views are. And, it would be effective for Obama to say it while warren is still on stage.

That is my hope.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:16 PM
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1. Newsflash: DU is out of the mainstream and on a collision course with irrelevance.
The noisy, tiny minority represented here at DU by all the pant-shitting over absolutely is being lost on everyone.

DU has become the tree falling in the forest that nobody hears.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:23 PM
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6. I am not saying you are wrong. But, it is more than just DU
that is upset over this.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:28 PM
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9. That does not mean it is significant. The netroots are perpetually outraged,
and such outrage--while exhilarating and cathartic for those expressing it--is tiresome and predictable for those at a distance. That does not mean that it is invalid, of course. It just means it won't get any further than any other netroots outrage does.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:35 PM
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16. Nope. DU is always ahead of the curve. And, you might
search "Obama gay" today. The stories are piling up. It's been in the corporate media and Amy covered it, too.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:37 PM
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18. Actually, we are the heartbeat that got the blood rushing to elect Obama
We didn't have to, and we do not have to in 2012 if he's going to appoint those who do not and never would vote for him.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:38 PM
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20. Er, no. DU only supported him en masse once
both Kucinich and Edwards dropped out. By that point, he was already cruising.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:46 PM
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21. I was totally for Edwards and was very disappointed he dropped out......
I can't believe he did what he did.

I was never for Kucinich because he doesn't have a chance.

However, if this is the way it's going to be with Obama, putting in REPUBLICANS, I plan to throw myself into campaigning for his Democratic opponent in 2012.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:31 PM
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24. If DU is out of the mainstream, then that means the Mainstream is bigoted, and I don't want...
any part of it. I know you relish the idea of every single minority being rendered irrelevant, you are an extremely hateful person, and I'm sure you relish being part of the Mainstream.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:17 PM
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2. Don't be naive. He will not even hear it, forget about listening. He only listens to the
GOP and DLC.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:18 PM
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3. There IS no pony under that pile of bigoted crap.
Symbolism? The symbolism of the Warren Invocation is that he meant what he said when he stated, plainly, that he was opposed to gay marriage.

That's the symbolism.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:22 PM
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5. Sadly, you may be right.
It was a disgusting and insulting choice. I have contacted Obama's team on it. And, will wait to see what positions and policies he takes on as the President.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:36 PM
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17. No kidding. And I suspect Obama knows that, too. n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:24 PM
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7. Oh, he'll hear us. And he'll understand exactly how important a few hundred outrage addicts are,
and weight their voices accordingly.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:26 PM
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8. I think its more than outrage addicts.
At any rate, I hope he mentions GLBT Rights in his speech.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:32 PM
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12. It's certain that there are many who are reasonably and genuinely upset.
Unfortunately, they're being done no favors by the outrage addicts. Their voices will, as always, be lost in the din of the reflexive opposition yelling "I AM BACKSTABBED BY THE DINO DLC CENTRIST YET AGAIN NOT CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN." The more uniformly and homogeneously noisy the netroots gets, the more irrelevant it becomes, and the less useful it becomes as a tool for the genuinely concerned to push for their issues.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:32 PM
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11. So, there are only a few hundred people who are outraged by this?
And they should be in the closet and not out making spectacles of themselves, right?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:34 PM
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14. Nothing wrong with making a spectacle.
Nothing wrong with making a spectacle every single day. Now, thinking that your spectacles are helping your cause, on the other hand...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:26 PM
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22. People for the American Way and The Human Rights Campaign are "outrage addicts?"
Who knew?



Dear President-elect Obama -

Let me get right to the point. Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans. Our loss in California over the passage of Proposition 8 which stripped loving, committed same-sex couples of their given legal right to marry is the greatest loss our community has faced in 40 years. And by inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table.

Rick Warren has not sat on the sidelines in the fight for basic equality and fairness. In fact, Rev. Warren spoke out vocally in support of Prop 8 in California saying, “there is no need to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2 percent of our population ... This is not a political issue -- it is a moral issue that God has spoken clearly about." Furthermore, he continues to misrepresent marriage equality as silencing his religious views. This was a lie during the battle over Proposition 8, and it's a lie today.

Rev. Warren cannot name a single theological issue that he and vehemently, anti-gay theologian James Dobson disagree on. Rev. Warren is not a moderate pastor who is trying to bring all sides together. Instead, Rev. Warren has often played the role of general in the cultural war waged against LGBT Americans, many of whom also share a strong tradition of religion and faith.

We have been moved by your calls to religious leaders to own up to the homophobia and racism that has stood in the way of combating HIV and AIDS in this country. And that you have publicly called on religious leaders to open their hearts to their LGBT family members, neighbors and friends.

But in this case, we feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination. Only when Rev. Warren and others support basic legislative protections for LGBT Americans can we believe their claim that they are not four-square against our rights and dignity. In that light, we urge you to reconsider this announcement.

Sincerely,

Joe Solmonese
President
Human Rights Campaign



http://www.hrc.org/11793.htm




People For the American Way President Kathryn Kolbert responded today to the news that Rev. Rick Warren of Saddleback Church will deliver the invocation at the presidential inauguration of Barack Obama:

It is a grave disappointment to learn that pastor Rick Warren will give the invocation at the inauguration of Barack Obama.

Pastor Warren, while enjoying a reputation as a moderate based on his affable personality and his church's engagement on issues like AIDS in Africa, has said that the real difference between James Dobson and himself is one of tone rather than substance. He has recently compared marriage by loving and committed same-sex couples to incest and pedophilia. He has repeated the Religious Right's big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors. He has called Christians who advance a social gospel Marxists. He is adamantly opposed to women having a legal right to choose an abortion.

I'm sure that Warren's supporters will portray his selection as an appeal to unity by a president who is committed to reaching across traditional divides. Others may explain it as a response to Warren inviting then-Senator Obama to speak on AIDS and candidate Obama to appear at a forum, both at his church. But the sad truth is that this decision further elevates someone who has in recent weeks actively promoted legalized discrimination and denigrated the lives and relationships of millions of Americans.

Rick Warren gets plenty of attention through his books and media appearances. He doesn't need or deserve this position of honor. There is no shortage of religious leaders who reflect the values on which President-elect Obama campaigned and who are working to advance the common good.
http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_2008_12_people_for_disappointed_rick_warren
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:31 PM
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10. You do realize that its too late for this decision to be changed, dont you?
How could he? It would be suicide. The mistake was making the decision at all.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:32 PM
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13. I know it's too late now.
I am trying to look for what good could come from where we are now.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:34 PM
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15. Warren gets caught with a prostitute before Jan 20?
That'd be cool.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:30 PM
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23. The old dead girl or live boy....that's the only way the schedule will change.
Unless Jesus gives him a painful ulcer that sends him to hospital on the day, or uses his magic wrench to ground the guy's plane....or something.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:38 PM
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19. That's now his problem. If Warren really is his friend,
maybe he can get a sick headache.
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