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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:16 PM
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Electoral-vote.com weighs in on Warren
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 04:17 PM by charlie and algernon
Obama Chooses Rick Warren to Deliver Inaugural Invocation

Obama has chosen pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inaugural. Liberal groups are already up in arms over this choice. It was a brilliant move on Obama's part. By reaching out to a relatively moderate evangelical who has focused on AIDS and world poverty and getting liberals to react angrily (because Warren is antichoice and antigay) Obama has accomplished two things. First, a lot of evangelicals will come to regard Obama as not so bad after all, which will surely help him when he actually starts to govern. Second, by getting liberals visibly furious with him before he is even inaugurated, he will be much better able to defend himself against right-wing cries that he is a "liberal" (a pejorative in some circles). The move costs him no political capital at all. Warren gets a few minutes to speak on national TV. He's not going to use it to bash gays if he has any expectation of becoming the new Billy Graham. But later when Obama does controversial things--like pushing for some kind of national health insurance--he can claim to be balanced by saying: "I am a centrist, look, I let Warren speak and I support national health insurance, something for everyone." That is hardly an even trade but it will get him a lot of mileage in the media. Despite what some people may think, Obama is a very clever politician and fully understands that making small gestures to the right, however meaningless, generate good will he will need later. The incident brings to mind the comment of John Mithell (Richard Nixon's attorney general): "Watch what we do, not what we say."

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:19 PM
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1. My take on it,
I think that Obama recognizes the symbolism of the day and the choices. Warren there as 'the last prayer' on the old ways. A closing of that chapter. The benediction will usher in the new day, the new way.

I still think it's wrong, but that is the only explanation I can find.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:21 PM
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4. No, Obama already has said today he has to reach out to people we disagree with
and give them a voice too, evidently.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:24 PM
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5. I just don't get it.
I am really disappointed in this decision, and was hoping he'd give him the axe. I just don't understand giving a voice to someone whose beliefs and actions are SO counter to what so many of us believe in.

There is no common ground there. Like I said, I just don't get it.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:43 PM
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7. unfortunately that's how it works
If you want to change policy, you absolutely have to bring the opponents along, or at least give the illusion that they have a place at the table. Otherwise they will do everything in their power to stop you or drag the process out so long that nothing gets done anyway. Sure, there will always be some who will fight no matter what you do, but by at least recognizing their cause, you will bring enough over to get real policy work done.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:21 PM
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2. Interesting analysis.... thanks.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:21 PM
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3. I agree. Calling Obama naive is foolish.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:29 PM
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6. So Obama's gonna play kingmaker for the "next Billy Graham"
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 04:29 PM by Bucky
Aaarrrrggh! This is why we have a wall of separation. I don't want the president being influential in matters of religion any more than I want ministers powerbroking the presidency.

And don't tell me this isn't costing Obama any political capital. This is at the very least risking some of his political capital with pro-choice and pro-equality liberals. The gamble here is that social conservatives will be so enamored of this symbolic gesture that some of them won't put up a real fight when Obama decides to do something liberal.

Good luck with that, sir.

I freely admit Obama has me and my support in his back pocket... for the time being. But he doesn't have me buttoned up in that pocket. He can't pull off a lot of shit like this and expect me to stay in his pocket. It's pretty naive to think that by increasing dissatisfaction on his left flank he'll somehow magically decrease the anger on his right. I sure as hell hope that's not the strategy that he's planning. I'm pretty sure that he's not that dumb, even if the Electoral-Vote.com writer is.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:55 PM
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8. Anyone who calls Warren a moderate, after advocating for PropH8 has no fucking...
clue what they are saying.

If he's a moderate, I'm glad I'm not one.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:11 PM
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10. Everyone goes on about Prop H8. What about the fact that he
thinks that women are spiritually inferior and should be constantly monitored to make sure that they are submissive enough.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:36 PM
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11. That's is simply abbhorrent that such views could be considered "moderate"
This man in an asshole, who, as I said yesterday, belongs on a streetcorner, screaming his hate, having everyone throwing rotten fruit at him, he does NOT belong in Obama's Inauguration.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:03 PM
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9. This is based on assumptions only...
That a small gesture to the right, will generate good will he will need later.

Just because he lets one wingnut bigot say a prayer (or whatever), how can one assume that generates any good will?

IMO, there is not a damn thing Obama could do, including having that fascist Rush himself say the invocation, that will win over any wingnuts???

There still won't like Obama and that won't be changed by Warren.
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