Obama ran as a centerist...nuff said

"There is no red state America; there is no blue state of America; there is the United States of America" Obama

He ran as a centerist and was elected as one.

This is what is needed..the far right and left will wither and die on the vine.

Time for us to unite.

Find my GD post - it might explain why Obama has said what he has regarding the word "marriage".

To unite the country, everyone has to be included and everyone is going to have to take a deep breath.

Or, if nothing else, to improve America, the larger issues that affect the largest group of people have to be dealt with first. Which means anything that directly affects 300 million instead of 15 or 30 million, that 5~10% of the public that is said to be GBLT.

I hate that fucking bigot Joe Biden. And that fucking bigot Hillary Clinton.

....who went OUT OF HER WAY and took 10 days off work to do nothing BUT campaign for Obama, will be campaigning for the opponent in 2012.

Where is the change?

And if you want to talk center... The vast majority of Americans are for single-payer health care insurance, and they are not for globalization, and giving our jobs away to foreign countries. Yet Obama has taken no tough stands on any of that. Yet THAT is where the center is.

The center is NOT where corporate media says it.

This is just one study. There are others. Surprising the majority of republicans want universal coverage too!


In an extensive ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html

So arent these two different things in the poll?

only government assistance for the poor --- which completely ignors the fact that most people go into bankruptcy because of medical bills.

Also I believe a recent study came out which stated that now 25% of the working class with a cancer diagnosis do not seek out health care due to no medical insurance or inadequate coverage.

NOT having to work with unions. Companies should avoid the *LEACH* insurance companies stealing their profits by buying off the government and forcing other companies to pay health care instead of it being taken care of by the government as it should be and is done by just about every other industrial nation in the world putting them a lot higher up on the list in terms of general health, longevity, and reduced infant mortality.

rather a new approach to politics in general. though i am a progressive, i do believe change, as Obama sees it, can come from a centrist.

The so called center has not reasonably been defined for me. Wasn't it Obama who said change cannot come from the same old politicians doing the same old things over and over again and expecting a different outcome? Well what I keep seeing is the same old politicians saying the same old things. I'm not far left. I'm essentially the same I have been for years. But others call me far left now. I guess that is change, but now how I prefer it.

change is nothing new, and pretty meaningless.

Warren is an anti intellectual who does not even respect the intellectual thinking of the collective American Protestant Church.


He didn't say there is a smart America and a stupid America.


There are intelligent conservative Christians who could have been chosen without signaling that we think evolutinos is bunk.


BTW Warren admits that at one time he did believe that evolution was a part of the Creation process but no longer does so. He has grown increasingly anti intellectual as he has found that it fills his pockets with money.


We don't have to embrace charlatans to embrace conservatives.


Actually this is a real slap in the face of real Evangelicals who are active in real denominations and real communities of faith.

neo-cons and code-pinkies have met their match

and philosophy and policies that have run my country into the ground and it's vehicle, the Republican party. I did not vote to seek common ground with them, to reach across the aisle to them, or to compromise with them. I voted for change. Real change in policy and outlook. I understand political compromise at times to get some things past. I reject, however, any adoption of the policies I sought to end with my vote.

I have a hard time believing that a person who cannot spell a word can define it properly enough to stand on a soapbox with his personal version of the gospel. But that's me.

I did not see "Centrist" on his signs and bumper-stickers. I did see "Change We Can Believe In". There are a lot of people who are losing that belief, and I find that profoundly sad on many levels. Chastizing them is not going to result in them suddenly gaining heart.

A duopoly of Centrists and Right Wingers have been running this country non-stop since Reagan to the detriment of just about every aspect of the public sphere. I expect that formula to be altered significantly before I call any political realignment "change we can believe in".

While I agree with those who say we should wait and see how Obama governs, I would say that Obama has set a high bar for himself and right now some of the signs don't look good.

What do all of those have in common?

... and have taken it over, its just a matter of time before new party starts that WILL listen to the people and run an honest campaign for them, NOT for the corporations under the GUISE of running in the so-called "middle"...

When America discovers that a majority of them are "FAR LEFT" that the minority that controls our government keeps on labeling them, that's when the old guard gets thrown out, though I'm sure they'll just build onto more of the games Bush and the neocons have been trying to implement to stay in power no matter what the cost to this country is. And they've damn well collectively almost destroyed it already.

One without full civil rights, and the other with full civil rights.

And most people outside his biggest netroots supporters knew it.

The main aspect of his candidacy that many Clinton supporters questioned was his experience, not his politics or policy positions. We'd read his book, we'd listened to his speeches. He ran as Bill Clinton 2.0 - a more disciplined version who'd obviously learned from Clinton's mistakes. But Clinton left office with a better than 65% approval rating. Everyone knew the "Change" message meant a change in the failed policies of the last 8 years. We knew Obama meant a restoration of the Classic Democratic party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton and NOT some progressive utopian revolution.

I'm proud Obama is my president. I don't agree with the Warren thing on a personal level but I understand his reasoning.

into their campaigns. Clinton is well-known for it, but Shrub's "compassionate conservatism" was just a Repug spin on the same idea. And look at how different Clinton and Shrub governed. The fact that someone runs as a centrist doesn't tell a whole lot about how they will govern, ideologically-speaking.

Oh yeah, and be careful what you wish for, regarding the far right and left withering and dying on the vine. With no far left or far right, from where would the centrists steal the ideas that they water down, in order to make them less scary to the mushy middle? :-)

That's why he won. That's the only way to win. That's how Bush won* too, with the "Compassionate Conservative" schtick. Obama was just more honest about it than Bush was (so far).

I'm starting to think some us only looked at the pictures. :)

my vote in 2012 will wither as well. you can scream "lesser of two evils" all you want but it won't change anything. the left wants to be included in the policy making and administration. i suggest you put your centrism somewhere dark, tight, and smelly.

I don't want "The Center of the Curve" defining America.


"Centrism"!....because it's so EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING, and get to insult those who do! :)


Since "Centrism" is NOT based on Issues, it will vary for each individual and in each election as "The Center" moves (invariably to the Right), but still lends the comfort of The Middle of the Herd to anyone who is not well informed or lacks the courage to actually Take a Stand on The Issues. The really dangerous thing about the Dogma of Centrism is that it is so easy to dictate from an authoritarian source. It can be completely controlled by the handful of people who own The Media. If the TV says that the country is "Center-Right", then the "Centrists" all line up and say "Thats good enough for me!".

"We knew Obama meant a restoration of the Classic Democratic party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton and NOT some progressive utopian revolution"

a vote for Obama was a vote to restore mainstream America sanity...thats all...sorry if you thought otherwise but thanks for your vote:)

the revolution-ites should nominate Cindy Sheehan in 2012...that will go over like a lead balloon.