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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:29 AM Original message |
Let's list all the great things pragmatism has done for Democratic ideals in the last 28 years. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Pragmaticism isn't a political philosophy. it's an approach, a way |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ok, so list the great things that approach has done for Democratic ideals over the past 28 years. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Here's an example of pragmaticism: |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. LOL |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. You and most of the world have vastly different definitions of pragmatism |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I have to run out, but let the record show that the BEST example you've given me so far, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. not a vermonter, are you? Bernie threw gun control advocates |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. ... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. More. Brown v Board was a calculated and pragmatic |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Hmm... I thought Brown vs. Board happened over 50 years ago. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Yes and the current Supreme Court seems likely to engage in more profiles in courage |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Uhm, Brown v. Board was a Supreme Court Decision, not a political decision... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
7. Let me see what not standing on some principle has given us |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. how about NAFTA? don't ask - don't tell? Patriot Act/DHS, the Iraq War? |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Edward talked progressive but his senate record didn't reflect that |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
8. 8 years of peace and prosperity, 1993-2001. nt |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. It can be argued that Clinton took a pragmatic triangulating approach to acheive that |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. While BushInc was growing STRONGER for their return to WH - thanks to Bill deep-sixing |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
10. Can you list great things Dems have done in the last 28yrs.? |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. My argument is that Democrats have NOT done any great things because they were busy being pragmatic. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It's surprising to learn that people think pragmaticism is bad |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. your argument has failed miserably |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Why? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. #1, you don't have a factual cornerstone to support your argument... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
15. Domestic partnerships in Oregon was pragmatic |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
16. Oh SNAP -- k&r |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
18. You've listed too many things. I have a negative number. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
19. Easy |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. no raining on parades today! shhhh! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. Tell me what manual you're pulling "Democratic Ideals" from. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The point of my OP is that YOU tell ME. I didn't include any specifically. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. OK, there ARE no agreed upon "Democratic ideals." |
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AtomTan (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
31. Just out of curiosity, what's an alternative to pragmatism that you'd suggest? |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. The new head of the party is a ruthless pragmatist, so you better get used to it. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
35. NAFTA, Welfare reform, don't ask-don't tell |
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