My view on the Warren pick

I think Obama's reasoning for choosing Warren is spot on

To exclude persons that exclude you or your beliefs is missing the point entirely...how can one expect to be accepted for their values if they can't accept anothers? Obama is going to govern from the middle, not the left or the right.

People love to point fingers when they think they are righteously justified in their angst, but how different is it really?

True acceptance, is to accept everyone not just the ones that accept you back

The views that Warren has that are the most offensive to the left aren't frankly that uncommon. Which is to say religions that openly accept homosexuals aren't easy to come by. Thus Rick Warren isn't that out there in this view. Also this one issue isn't a primary focal point of his church. You were suppose to be excited because Warren is a "modern" thinking man's pastor. With "liberal" views on the poor, Aids and global warming... The problem is most DUers don't see these issues as religious or political issues and find Warren's real religious stances as frankly very common and very conservative. Liberals in general don't look for their science advice, medical advice or financial advise from their pastor. Warren is suppose to be a progressive bridge to the gap between the religious right and the progressive left, the problem is he isn't. This appears to be an epic fail.

...then where is the crap from the Nazi element?

Let's really, really be all inclusive of every freaking portion of society, OK?

I say that the Nazi invocation should then be followed by a speech from a member of NAMBLA. Sound good to everyone?

:sarcasm:

that comprises a significant portion of the American people and who also concern themselves with at least a few common causes such as poverty and AIDS?

black civil rights?

Cause you and a bunch of other outrage stokers keep using this bullshit talking point that rests on a pretty weak assumption.

Because they're religious asswipes who use their belief in primitive superstitions to justify hatred and discrimination. Fuck them and fuck religion.

They listen to them and worry about their concerns more than ours.

An anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-female activist is someone who's values I need to accept............

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YOU...you are the one angry, and that anger isn't helping anyone...and its not going to change the fact that Obama wants to include the right's viewpoints also...just MAYBE, bringing all sides to the table, unlike past presidents, will help heal some wounds...

Personally I swing to the left, but from reading many on this board, it seems like the left hates the right and much as the right hates the left...again, where is the acceptance that one wants to receive but doesn't give?

I also believe slavery is wrong and that women and minorities should have equal rights. I find views contrary to those, unacceptable.

The difference between you and I is that you do not see gblt citizens as equals, deserving of equal treatment. They are just a fringe special interest to you.

Who ever said that Obama shouldn't talk to Warren?

Congratulations

I hardly think this particular "new folk" is saying anything smart here. Started okay, but ended horribly.

Since it's not going to be changed...if you can't see through what Obama is doing, than you aren't looking hard enough...

I am not interested in fighting or being ridiculed for throwing a different viewpoint out there...if you see some peace in it, please take it, if not, thats cool..

To this point, it seems more of an ego thing to some people...you can accomplish the same goals of equality that we all share without fighting/resisting...

Since the majority is able to vote on the rights of the minorities,
although it shouldn't be that way,
Obama's plan to increase the ranks of those who are persuadable by getting them to listen to him make the case, should be followed to its end before being ruled unworthy of an attempt.

Liberals are supposed to be more open minded than conservatives,
and we will get a chance to see if that is true.

The fight for human rights shouldn't be about a 2 minute appearance by one man,
but rather tangible concrete results that demonstrates more civil Rights rather than fewer.

If back in the 60s, before racial tolerance was a majority view,
a Grand Wizard of the KKK had been asked to speak at an important event for all Americans,
and during a 2 minute appearance, had proclaimed that all men are created equal without exception to his followers, that might have been worth more to me than the fact that he was given a platform.
But of course, that's just me.

he just can't see what a scumbucket he is for some reason. I mean, he goes nearly two years running a virtually blunder-free campaign and then he craps on himself like this? Here's hoping it's an aberration, and he gets past it.

I have a problem with people not handling their own mistakes.

Let's see how he does.