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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:19 PM
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Sorry, there's one position on the Rick Warren controversy I find hard to respect
Being surprised about it. Maybe you think it's a huge deal, a small deal, nothing at all, or even something really great. But why should it come as a surprise?


I'm shocked, shocked that Rick Warren will be Obama's invocation speaker!

No one could have anticipated that a candidate who signaled — since before his campaign officially started — that he was going to cater to the Rick Warrens of the world would give a God-exploiting bigot like, say, Rick Warren a bully pulpit from day one of his presidency!

How could you not be "profoundly disappointed" when something like that comes out of left field? It's "a bit of a surprise." "This one puzzles"! "What?!" "WTF?" "Really?!?!"

It's not like Obama has promised to let faith-based groups "help set our national agenda," right?

It's "inconceivable" that Obama would make such a homophobic choice.

He surely wouldn't treat Warren's big-ass church as an essential campaign stop, would he? Well, if he did, he'd never say something like this there:

"I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman (big applause), now for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union, now God's in the mix (applause).


I suppose I'd start to worry if he said things like

"`What role does faith play?' I say, `It plays every role.'"

or

"I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God...."

or

"I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

or

"My job is to try to draw a connection between the values that I express to the church and the challenges and issues that we face in politics."

or

We first need to understand that Americans are a religious people... substantially more people believe in angels than do those who believe in evolution

or

...the discomfort of some progressives with any hint of religion has often prevented us from effectively addressing issues in moral terms.

or

Our failure as progressives to tap into the moral underpinnings of the nation is not just rhetorical. Our fear of getting "preachy" may also lead us to discount the role that values and culture play in some of our most urgent social problems.

or

It is doubtful that children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance feel oppressed or brainwashed as a consequence of muttering the phrase "under God;" I certainly didn't.


So, don't make anything out of this uncharacteristic decision.

Obama's got his feet on the ground, and unlike the outgoing president, he's simply not going to mix religion and politics!


UPDATES:

John Aravosis is caught flat-footed by this shocking and thoroughly unpredictable development!

He's got huge approval ratings, after all. Maybe we're expendable now. Obama's brain trust has decided he needs new friends. So have fun with Rick Warren. If he's there on January 20th, I won't be. And, unlike Rick Warren, I actually worked hard to get Obama elected. It's weird and disturbing. I'd expect George Bush to have a homophobe on the stage. But Obama? That's not the kind of change I expected, and it's not change I can believe in.


Late-blooming Obama believer Taylor Marsh observes:

It's like Obama decided purposefully to give liberals the finger.


Matt Stoller suggests uncloseting these impulses:

Hey, I Have an Idea!



Let's keep poking liberals with a stick!

In the eye!

Yeah!

... I got another idea. Why doesn't Obama double-immunize telecom companies for their warrantless wiretapping? That doesn't even make any sense, but I bet liberals wouldn't like it!



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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:23 PM
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1. I wasn't surprised in the least.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:27 PM
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2. Self-delusion
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:38 PM by alwysdrunk
That's the excuse I hear the most. That Obama was lying he said all of the above, and he had a secret plan to automagically transform into SuperLiberalMan once the election was over.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:31 PM
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6. This cartoon is a classic
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:41 PM
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8. That's hilarious, shame it's so true
People got too used to Bush, thinking every president is a lying extremist now.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:29 PM
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3. I just know one thing
this has taken the luster off the inauguration for me and many others.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:30 PM
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4. I wasn't surprised I was disgusted.
This was a shameful, hurtful act. But indeed, from early on in the Obama campaign, he has made it clear that he intends to bring the theocrats into the tent. It is my major problem with Obama, so far, and always has been. I have other problems with him as well, he is way too center-right for my tastes on foreign and domestic policy. However I still support the not even seated yet administration, and retain hope that real change is something I can believe in because it will actually happen. I can support an administration that has done something I find disgusting. After all, what are my other options?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:43 PM
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9. other options?
oppose actions when they are wrong, period, irrespective of which party is behind them.

the democratic party must be opposed if it intends to bring republicans into it.

otho, it's really just one party anyway, one hand washing the other, in mud.
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:31 PM
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5. I wasn't surprised
disappointed, yes ... surprised, no
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:34 PM
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7. If you can count on Obama for one thing it is consistency.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:35 PM by dkf
Everything he is doing now is exactly what he said he would do. What should give people comfort is he pledged to repeal DOMA. I'd say he has a bunch of fires to put out first though, including the economy, health care, Iraq, etc. I wonder how much political capital he will have after that. If the economy keeps on tanking, people will start to blame him.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:04 PM
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10. Everything so far has been predictable, that is why I supported Kucinich, however-
I knew that as my choices kept narrowing until it became a choice as usual between a Dino and a Republican that I still had a choice to make.

I voted for a stop-gap to the very rapid deterioration of our democracy, our civil liberties and the financial and physical well being of most of her citizens.

Make no mistake, it will still continue, only perhaps more slowly, like with Clinton.

That is all I ever expected and I am truly and deeply sorry for those that naively expected more.
It is not easy to learn that one's hero is no such thing. It can shatter hope and Idealism within a person upon such a realization. I have nothing but sympathy for those that are shocked or in denial.

It is perhaps time to face a fact that was never hidden, all we did was buy a little more time to try to stop the rot that will destroy this nation. There is not much time. We must continue to fight even though the majority of both parties are complicit. We have no choice really, save to give up.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:06 PM
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11. My mistake was thinking he was UCC. nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:48 PM
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12. 10th recommend
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:04 PM
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13. But in a moment of honesty he said:
"they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:44 PM
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14. Not surprised
I won't be surprised with the continued Occupation of Iraq, or the escalation of the War in Afghanistan. I know educated people who believe that Obama promised to end the War in Iraq.
He didn't.

I won't be surprised with the increase in Military Spending or the expansion of our Military "to protect American Interests".

I also won't be surprised with even more Outsourcing, Insourcing, and Privatization, or the further concentration of Wealth and Power into fewer hands. The people who helped create that system are back in power on Obama's Economic Team.

To be honest, I had though that Obama was better at stagecraft. It is a pretty transparent insult to The Left to give Warren the Opening Spotlight on a Global Stage for his first official act as President, so I guess you could say I'm surprised on that level.
But then Obama has been pretty blatant with his choices for Chief of Staff, Economic Team, and Foreign Policy Team.

By now, it should be pretty clear exactly what Obama means by "Post-Partisanship".
Here is a picture:


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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:49 PM
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15. Isn't the stagecraft just what he wanted?
He's further distanced himself from those awful, bickering, single-issue liberals, and closer to heartland piousness!

Perhaps he didn't bargain for this much agita about it, but the message is, and has been, unmistakable:

http://www.correntewire.com/bus_roll_over_mes_back_in_town
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