Proud Shit Stirrer for Civil Rights.

Who's with me?

Where you are not allowed to start a thread to call out another person or thread...

Thank you, though. I appreciate your concern.

Or the vast majority of people on here... because the vast majority of people at DU can have an actual discussion without condescension or misrepresentation or flat out lies.

That thread was pointed towards those who cannot, or just don't choose to.

I thought that was enough to be a shit stirrer. :)

I think just being at this site makes you a shit stirrer in the larger sense because that's what a Progressive is.

I'm pretty bound to side with any kind a shit stirring since it usually brings important things to the surface. It's a very Progressive sort of thing to do.

But I think some people are just trying to be hurtful for reasons that go way beyond Warren or Gay rights or anything else and after a while the meanness of what they are doing gets old.

some people want to be disappointed a little and move to the other important issues going on.

some people are so upset by it that it's just flat out emotion and rage which saddens me in a way because it has a certain tint of despair to it which I never like to hear in fellow Progressives.

some people have an agenda that has more to do with hurting Obama than it doesn anything else, which makes me wonder why they are here at all. I think there are more appropriate sites to be at if that's really how you feel.

I'm disappointed but I think there are other things to talk about which are just as important that aren't being discussed because the discussion is being monopolized, I think it's a little myopic and not very Progressive at all.

When FOX News wants to hype their agenda, they make up reports about "Some people say...."

Are you referring to these mythical "Some people".

How are you able to discern with so much smug certainty the motivations of other "some" DU members?

assume that I have not already been attacked rather brutally by some people.

I know the "some people" thing is annoying.

but I think there is a rule about calling people out by name.

which DUers we're talking about.

If you have "been attacked rather brutally" you should bring the specific incidents to the attention of the mods at the time they happen.

I find your posts here to be insulting and condescending, manipulative and deceptive. By saying that, am I "brutally attacking" you?

Your "some people" is obviously meant to mean all who hold opinions on this with whom you disagree.

You than say that "they" -

"...are just trying to be hurtful for reasons that go way beyond Warren or Gay rights or anything else..."

"...are so upset by it that it's just flat out emotion and rage which saddens me in a way because it has a certain tint of despair to it which I never like to hear in fellow Progressives."

"...have an agenda that has more to do with hurting Obama..."

Those are all malicious smears - "brutal attacks" you might say. You are throwing around serious charges, and doing it with insinuation and suggestion. You are aiming these remarks at a specific group of people whop disagree with you, but are stating it in such a way that allows you to deny that you are doing that.

Beyond that, you don't have the courage to actually debate with people honestly, and instead hide behind this "some people" thing. You most certainly know exactly whom you are trying to hurt with your remarks.

Then we get the insinuations as to the motives and honesty of "some people" and suggestions that "they" are not welcome here -

"...makes me wonder why they are here at all."

"I think there are more appropriate sites to be at if that's really how you feel."

If WHAT is how WHO really feels? You don't say.

"I'm disappointed but I think there are other things to talk about which are just as important that aren't being discussed because the discussion is being monopolized..."

You are free to discuss anything you like, to start threads or participate in any threads you like. If you do not want to discuss this issue, then why do you keep posting on these threads?

By discussing one topic, we are in no way preventing the discussion of other topics. Obviously. Yet you turn this into yet another malicious and cowardly attack on "some people" - "they are monopolizing the discussion and preventing us from discussing other things." That is of course not true. No one could stop you from discussing other issues if they wanted to. The more people post on a subject, the longer it stays visible, so obviously the threads that you think are getting too much attention are about the subjects that others here want to discuss.

You may as well say "this isn't fair. Just because a topic is popular why should that make it popular?"

we get paranoid that people are trying to hurt Obama.

Maybe you missed that because you agree with the smear she posted.

Duh.

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And the first to recommend. :hug:

I'm black and I'm proud.

Is this about the biracial thread?

Does this have anything to do with Obama or Presidential politics?

Are these threads just being started to "stir shit"?

Yay shit!

ER: Count me in, dear!

(posted to the other thread):

I don't think you understand....
It is NOT about the personalities of the Party Establishment..
It IS about The Policy.

The Left (actually the American center) strongly BELIEVES in certain things.

1) We believe that it was WRONG to invade and occupy a country that did NOT threaten, and could NOT threaten us. We also believe that those representatives that had integrity OPPOSED the invasion.
Those that claim that "Bush fooled them" are either lying, or too stupid to be in government.
Some points are given to those who state that they made a bad decision.

Naturally, The Left is upset by a cabinet that contains NO ONE who was right about Iraq, but only those who were WRONG.


2)The Left is strongly PRO-LABOR, and feel that the Democratic Party abandoned Working Americans during the Reagan administration. The policies of "Free Trade", deregulation, and privatization of the CommonWealth have destroyed good American jobs and turned our workforce into a slave wagers.
We strongly feel that the policies of Reagan and Clinton tilted the Economic field strongly in favor of the Ownership Society while dismantling the safety nets of the bottom 50%.
Naturally, we are upset to see Obama surrounding himself with the very people who helped create this problem.

3) The Left strongly supports Civil Rights and Equal Protection for ALL Americans....no exceptions.
YOU may not think this is a big issue, but many of us do, and we are not going to bite our tongues just to make you fell all warm and fuzzy.

Most of us were aware that Obama is not a Liberal/Progressive, though he uses vague Progressive rhetoric and Progressive imagery in his speeches. His voting record since he obtained his seat in The Senate has been safe/center Right. This year, he voted FOR Telecom Immunity after promising not to do so. He also supported the $800 Billion no strings attached Bailout after promising to ensure that there were protections for Taxpayers.....There weren't.
I'm NOT OK with this, and will SPEAK OUT.

Obama did promise he would have an inclusive administration.
He has included the DLC and The Republicans in top positions, but those who speak for The Left are conspicuously absent.
I'm not OK with this, and will SPEAK OUT.

We (The Left) agreed to hold our tongues during the campaign, and work our butts off to get "a Democrat" elected, but after November 4th, all bets were off. If you think it is bad NOW, wait until the Centrist Democrats try to escalate the War in Afghanistan or INCREASE the Defense Budget.

I am a tireless advocate for PEACE.
I am a tireless advocate for Civil Rights and Equal Protections for ALL....no exceptions.
I am a tireless advocate for Working Americans.
I am a tireless opponent of the MIC.
I am a tireless opponent to the concentration of Wealth & Power into fewer hands.
I am a tireless opponent to Corporate/Republican Influence INSIDE the Democratic Party.

I've been here for a long time.
I am not going anywhere.
I am not going to be quiet.
I don't care if the Republicans/Bigots get their feeling hurt.


"Centrism !!"....for those who are proud to be "Half-Republican".


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

Excellent post!

And a great reminder to everyone:
The Left is actually the American Center

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And I agree.

K & R.

You have a lower post count than me, but were able to start a thread. I can't see where it's possible to start a thread. I would expect there to be a blank box at the bottom of all the threads, or a link that says "start a thread" but I'm not seeing it. What am I missing?

There is a line of icons: Latest, Greatest, Lobby, Journals, MyDU, Post ...

Click on Post if you want to start a new thread. You only need a post count of like 20 to begin starting threads.

Good luck.

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:D

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Corretta Scott King:

Coretta Scott King, speaking four days before the 30th anniversary of her husband's assassination, said Tuesday the civil rights leader's memory demanded a strong stand for gay and lesbian rights. "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people," she said.

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny...I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy."

"Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement," she said. "Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."

But perhaps her most eloquent statement on the subject came in 1994, again invoking the words of her late husband in support of equal rights for all:

For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any other group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law...I believe that freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. My husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." On another occasion he said, "I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible." Like Martin, I don't believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others.

She's aces in my book.

Bless her heart. I honor her memory.

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stir it and see if you can make something of it. If stirring shit is what it takes to wake people the fuck up to what is happening, then a stirring we will go. Too late to Recommend, but not to late to put my shit kicking boots on and do some serious stirring. Now, where's my 45 of "The Twist?" :evilgrin:

:rofl:

We should patent that. We could raise millions in bumper stickers alone. :P

In.

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:rofl:

K and R. (Well, too late for the "R")

And for civil rights I will always stir. I'm behind on the goings on here, by several laps, but count me in!

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