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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:21 AM
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If I were going to have the AG indict Bush on Jan 20th
I wouldn't be publicly discussing anything about it at all until then to lull the Resident into thinking he's safe, exactly like Obama's (not) doing. If Bush truly thinks he's safe, he won't preemptively pardon himself before leaving office. Of course it's equally possible that Bush will walk away unscathed from the last 8 years. But if I were going to have him investigated and prosecuted for war crimes, I'd keep it extremely under the hat until he's out of office first.

Just my hopes for the future of our War Criminal in chief.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:38 AM
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1. In other words, keepin' that powder dry eh?
If I hadn't fallen for this so many time in the past many years, I'd be happy to indulge this fantasy.

Fool me once...
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:43 AM
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2. Well, I'm still waiting for Gore to announce his candidacy
J/K

It probably won't happen, but wouldn't it be nice?
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:50 AM
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3. LOL. Yeah, so you know what I mean
I've been fooled more times than I care to admit :sigh:
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:10 PM
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13. nice icon
spend much time up in north coast CA?
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:43 PM
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14. hehe, as much as I can
live here
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:53 AM
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4. Can the president actually pardon himself?
I mean, I'm pretty sure, based on certain past experiences in NY and IL that governors can't.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:00 PM
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5. Didn't GHW Bush pardon himself and others
for Iran-Contra, basically shutting down the criminal investigations?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:08 PM
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7. He pardoned others, but not himself.
If Nixon could've pardoned himself, he wouldn't have needed Ford to do it for him.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:32 PM
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9. He would have been impeached and removed if he pardoned himself.
Pardoning himself would have directly resulted in him being the 1st president to be impeached and removed from office.

Nixon made a deal to resign and get pardoned rather than be impeached.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:12 PM
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8. bush pardoned weinberger and five others, not himself
Six individuals involved in iran contra were pardoned by Bush I: former sec of defense Caspar Weinberger; former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs Elliott Abrams; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency. All six had either been indicted, convicted, or had entered guilty pleas relating to iran contra.


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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:07 PM
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6. when did AG's get the power to indict people?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:44 PM
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10. The grand jury technically does it but the grand jury almost always does what the prosecutor says
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:05 PM
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12. right. but the AG generally doesn' t act as a prosecutor
That function is left to the US Attorneys. And while the US Attorneys do report to the AG, after the last eight years, I'm a bit sensitive to any suggestion that the independence of the US Attorneys should be compromised by their having to seek indictments at the direction of the AG.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:45 PM
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11. I agree but I highly doubt he's going to indict Bush or Cheney
But if he were going to, you are correct that the best thing to do would be to keep it on the down low.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 09:11 PM
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15. I don't want any attention on Bush on 1/20. All eyes should be on Obama.
However, on 1/21...
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