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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:53 PM Original message |
This isn't just about Warren |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. He is also more overtly religious than was Dean or Kerry. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Interesting. Dean and Obama are both UCC. nt |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. My impression of Gov. Dean was that he and his wife kept their religious practice fairly private... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Dean has always been active in UCC congregations, both in Burlington and Montpelier. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Thanks for the info; altho I worked on the Dean campaign I didn't study him the way I did Obama... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. 22 years, September 14. Yeah, it can be challenging, but rewarding at times as well. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. I'm callin' that BAD, not good |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's his 3rd go 'round with preacher problems. |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I had never heard of Preacher Warren prior to this fiasco with Obama - I'm not religious, I don't |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. that is ludricrous |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. It's a real stretch of logic, isn't it? |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. Feinstein said pointblank she had nothing to do with it, that it was Obama. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
45. 'Bam? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. Obama had to be publicly scolded by Hillary just to get him to denounce Farrakhan |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. Awgeeze |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Who cares? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I didn't say Dean supported gay marriage |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. OK, so if HRC isn't the "gold standard" for GLBT issues, what is... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Under my senario with Hillary |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I can't tell if you are back-peddling or not... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. that is a total lie |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Listen, I am on your side... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Point out where I am wrong |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Obama had a stronger record on gay rights than the other candidates you've mentioned |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Again, get the facts straight. The fact that Obama opposes DOMA, |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. FYI. Howard Dean is against gay marriage, but for civil unions |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
47. That's Not the Point So Much |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. I disagree with you. I don't think there would have been any mention of it |
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Hanse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yeah, it isn't just about Warren, it's about the primaries. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. tell that to the several gay supporters of Obama who have posted |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
17. Don't forget the work he did helping to pass Prop 8 |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So you admit that the proponents of Prop 8 did a better job |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Yes they did a much better job and leaders of No on 8 deserve blame as well... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. You can't blame Obama for the opponents not getting out the truth. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Obama should never have participated in that debate |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. You seem to forget. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. What would be great... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. that would be great |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
21. I will not allow you to ruin this for the rest of us! |
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MikeE (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'm going to be cautiously optimistic... |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. I got suspicious of Warren's motives on AIDS relief |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
29. If Dennis Kucinich had tapped Warren to become.... |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. Kerry fully supported Massachusetts' version of Prop 8 |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Yeah. What's with the double standard? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. BS |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I'm sorry the truth hurts |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. "Kerry would have effectively sided on the Prop 8 position." Nonsense. n/t |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
34. Instead of being glad you have someone that actually values |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. Obama is gracious to a fault. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I called it naivete. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. so have many others |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Lincoln's VP worked out really well, now didn't it |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. The show starts 1-20-09. Preemptive reviews don't hold water. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. here's the piece I referenced: |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
39. Apparently you don't know anything about Obama's record on reproductive rights |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
44. Obama actually has MORE of a public record supporting GLBT rights than Dean |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Those pesky facts do tend to get in the way, don't they. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. why let facts get in the way of an Obama hate-on? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. see post 50 cali is totally wrong |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. And you are trying to twist Obama's record. Yes, he is |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I have asked over and over again |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. no, I'm not. YOU are ignorant about the fight for glbt rights in Vermont |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. that is baldly false |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Please. Howard Dean wasn't interested in GLBT rights when he was gov here |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. all of those are baldly false |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I know David and I've read his really good book on civil unions |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. The truth is on my side here |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
48. Bottom line, you don't trust him. Your loss, I'm afraid. I do. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
71. That is a good post, dcs. Thanks! |
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