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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:41 PM
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Feinstein and Rockefeller didn't need to stab the president-elect in the back
Senator Feinstein and Rockefeller's immediate comments critcizing the Panetta appointment were outrageous today. Why? Well:

A) Have they spoken to Mr. Panetta and the president elect to get the background of the appointment, to learn what he intends to do, etc? Come close to the line of opposing it without even considering it?

B) Have they thought that the problems in the CIA such as torture are caused by having career people lead it with no outside reform?

C) Do they have a better candidate in mind for CIA director? Perhaps it should be Porter Goss???

D) A split between the president and the congress is exactly what the republicans and the media want. The democratic congressional leadership shouldn't give it to them so easily.

E) This is the PRESIDENT's choice. Not theirs. Their role is to advise and consent (which is actually more restrictive than it sounds)

F) Finally we have a president who will clean up the CIA, get rid of things like FISA and waterboarding, but they prefer to keep in the old hands that came up with those lovely ideas?

I was busy with work today and haven't had the chance to roam the Internet for the whole story but if they have expressed some pretty strong opposition to this appointment, SHAME on them.

Anyway, gotta run for a bit. Will reply later if there are any replies.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:43 PM
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1. They should not have learned of the appointment from the press. Bad form. nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:45 PM
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2. Well its not like Feinstein has ultimate say over this pick
Obama is the president-elect, she needs to get over herself already.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:48 PM
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6. Well, Feinstien made a lot of efforts on Obama's behalf. He owes her a little respect.
People, especially long time pols, remember slights like this.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:52 PM
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9. Little slights or putting in a non pro torture CIA director?
I wouldn't go over the pick with her either. I once liked Diane, like 10 years ago but she stinks of corruption and enabling.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:56 PM
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12. She owes him respect. Diane Finestein
is a freaking neocon war profiteer who doesn't need to be made into a victim on DU.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:10 PM
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24. Sorry but this is just basic courtesy. She isn't a victim but this was classless.
There isn't an excuse for this kind of rudeness. Obama will need her vote at siome point and it may not be there. This is not a good way to begin. You don't reach out to the GOP and dis your own.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:23 PM
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27. dianne hasn't done anything for Obama
or this country..fuck her if she doesn't like his choice.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:34 AM
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37.  Diane did a lot of intra party manuvering for Obama during the primaries
and she was very involved prior to the convention. Whatever.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:09 PM
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22. Long time pols should be voted out of office anyways.
I haven't see too many too worried about difi's hurt feelings.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:48 AM
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39. Obama does not owe Feinstein anything. She is probably still ticked that
Hillary did not get the nomination or VP.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:59 PM
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17. She is the head of the Senate Intelligene Cmte and a former colleague of his own party...
She should not have learned about it from the press.

Basic respect and courtesy no matter who the chair is and who the prez is.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:07 PM
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21. I agree and I am not a fan of Diane.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:10 PM
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23. Right. It's not about DiFi, but the chair she's sitting in. nt
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:46 PM
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3. exactly right, the leak was the mistake
not the Senators response
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:00 PM
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18. Nah, diane feinstein has not once shown any
class and there's no reason for her to be made the victim here..

"UPDATE VI: Spencer Ackerman reports that Sen. Dianne Feinstein is upset with the selection of Panetta, petulantly complaining that she wasn't consulted in advance and that it would be best to have an "intelligence professional" in that position. CQ's Tim Starks reports that Sen. Jay Rockefeller is making very similar noises about this selection. Few things could reflect better on Panetta's selection than the fact that Feinstein and Rockefeller -- two of the most Bush-enabling Senators -- are unhappy with it."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/05/olc/p...
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:46 PM
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4. I agree. It is very bad form. And I am not sure what to think of the choice itself. It is an odd one
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:47 PM
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5. Bad form from them...... they should have said no comment
But you seem to support these two dinos.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:54 PM
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11. Exactly! Very bad form from dinofi and
I haven't heard what Rockefeller said yet.



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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:01 PM
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19. No. I support professional courtesy. I don't care who the participants are.
And it's a diss to someone from your own party who, just days ago, was a colleague.

Someone screwed up.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:20 PM
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26. Ambinder said the leak didn't come from Obama's camp
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:41 AM
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41. I don't care. She's a torture queen.
Anything that makes her unhappy is good.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:49 PM
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7. LOL
this update says it all for me

UPDATE VI: Spencer Ackerman reports that Sen. Dianne Feinstein is upset with the selection of Panetta, petulantly complaining that she wasn't consulted in advance and that it would be best to have an "intelligence professional" in that position. CQ's Tim Starks reports that Sen. Jay Rockefeller is making very similar noises about this selection. Few things could reflect better on Panetta's selection than the fact that Feinstein and Rockefeller -- two of the most Bush-enabling Senators -- are unhappy with it.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/05/olc/print.html
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:50 PM
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8. They are culpable in the Bush crimes that were committed. Rockefeller knew that the NIE
was flawed. He also knew about torture, as did Dianne "LIEberman-in-a-dress" Feinstein. They BOTH need to go!! :puke:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:54 PM
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10. Feinstein has a lot of work to do to become as useful as tits on a boar hog
Then there's the little matter of the gazillions of dollars she and her husband made off the deaths of 4000 or so young Americans in Iraq.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:58 PM
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13. DiFi and Rockefeller have enabled BushCo and prefer a wingnuttier candidate.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 11:34 PM by AtomicKitten
Tough shit for them.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:35 PM
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31. Primary rehash
But they will get over it.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:46 PM
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33. I hadn't thought of that. I thought it was more CYA for their complicity in Junior's crime spree.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 11:46 PM by AtomicKitten
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:58 PM
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14. As usual, Fineswine does the Repukes' work for them
Any chance she can be replaced with someone more like Boxer?

Panetta is a great pick. Shut up and start lambasting Bush and Cheney for ordering torture.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:58 PM
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15. Wow.
Now we're getting somewhere. I can guess what nasty secrets they're both hoping Leon won't disturb, and here's to hoping he cleans up that whole damn stinking sewer before we all drown in it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:20 PM
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25. Leon has his work cut out for him.
When I first read his name for this job I was thinking of Lanny Davis and I was confused about how he would be good.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:59 PM
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16. I agree 100%
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:03 PM
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20. Brused egos. They'll get over it.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:28 PM
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28. Sounds like there is a reason they didn't consult her. Its because she wanted a Pro-torture guy
in there.

NBC News has learned that Senate Democrats -- including Dianne Feinstein and Jay Rockefeller, who are the incoming and outgoing Intelligence chairmen -- have privately recommended a career CIA officer to head the agency.

Democratic sources indicate that both have recommended deputy CIA Director Steve Kappes, a veteran CIA intelligence officer who is widely credited with getting the Libyans to give up their nuclear program. Kappes also was former Moscow station chief.

The senators have let the transition team know they believe that the agency has finally settled down under Michael Hayden and needs a real intelligence pro to make key decisions -- and get institutional support to make them stick.

One potential downside for Kappes: Like former counter-terror chief John Brennan, some critics says he had line authority over controversial decisions involving interrogation and detention. Brennan was taken out of contention for the CIA job after criticism on the Web on that issue, even though he says he privately objected to the policies and was not in the chain of command at the time.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/01/05/1732576.aspx
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:30 PM
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29. Both Feinstein and Rockefeller were very comfortable with the Bush Cheney way of doing things--
always went along to get along. There's a new sheriff in town, neocon-enabling weenies--get used to it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:34 PM
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30. Some fresh eyes looking over the 911 coverup, NIE BS and other tidbits make Rocky and DiFi mad
Methinks they doth protest too much...
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:42 PM
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32. evverwhere you look a corrupt democrat-that rockefeller what a peach
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:50 PM
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34. Funny about the Rockefellers and the CIA
Henry Kissinger, a protégé of the Rockefeller family and Nelson Rockefeller
an the CIA in South America.


Never cared for the family myself.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:55 PM
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35. Rockefeller and Feinstein. Now there's a fine pair of collaborators if I ever saw one.
Weren't they in on those vaunted Intelligence Committee briefings where the Bushies INFORMED our Democratic Senators that they were violating the Constitution of the United States?

Did either of them raise the alarm that we were descending into a police-state because our President/Dictator said it was okay?

Hell no. They kept their collaborator mouths shut and enabled the BushCo fascists to shred our constitutionally-guaranteed liberties. SO SCREW THEM. We have seen the enemy and Rockefeller and Feinstein are among the ranks of the enemy. Democrats in name only and fascists in action. Bought and sold by their corporatist sponsors.

I hope this is just the first of many actions to flog those treacherous bastards.



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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:26 AM
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36. G) They want someone as complicit in the Bush crimes as they are.
Someone who has as much to lose by letting the sun shine in on the events of the last 8 years. Unfortunately for them, someone with clean hands and a strong moral compass might expose their collaboration in torture, domestic spying, and other unknown treasons. Bummer.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:35 AM
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38. I do not expect less of Feinstein and Rockerfeller. Both are Pro-military/industrial complex. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:26 AM
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40. On the surface and from a remove it appears -- it appears --
as if the Obama team did not observe protocol by giving DiFi and Rockefeller the headsup first before making the announcement, but on the other hand, we do not know what if anything did transpire between the transition team and the Intelligence Committee in the Senate.

If nothing at all had happened, then nothing happened. But that seems rarely to be the case inside the Beltway.

The public resistance to Panetta by DiFi and Rockefeller appears to suggest that their role and influence in the operation of the Agency or its policies is likely to be diminished.

I do not know if that is clinically true but if that is why they went public with their cool reception, I think Obama's choice of Panetta is that much more keen.

Panetta is his own man. The impression DiFi and Rock leave is that they'd prefer he not be.
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