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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:12 AM Original message |
For those that think Michael Moore should "shut up" concerning healthcare, |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think he should shut up, but not because his views are irrelevant. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Actually, I think we'd be better served by backing up those |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'd rather back them up through an Obama or Clinton. (nt) |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
34. LOL like either of them will ever champion Moore's issues |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Their healthcare plans are a first step towards the right direction. |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Yeah and those steps inbetween will fail and any future chance at Universal Healthcare dies |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I won't disagree that we've done a piss poor job in marketing our ideas. |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. dupe |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. Their Plans are a step in the WRONG direction. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
67. polls show broad based support for some form of universal care |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
70. Neither Obama or Clinton have plans to improve access to health care |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sanrf---so we should bow to the MSM? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. That's like saying you should run directly into a brick wall |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. We certainly can't compete if we don't enter the game. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And how do we enter? |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. The M$M does have a weak point - the individuals who select, produce, and bring us the propaganda |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I don't necessarily believe that's a weak point. |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Maybe I was not clear. The corporate media is not an inanimate entity. The decisions are made |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That is more clear, thank you. |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. He really doesn't. Trying to promote him as a rival to the corporate media is simply playing on |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. By not giving up and by organizing. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. 'Entering' is EXACTLY what Michael Moore is doing. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I think we need to fight the game. Health care is not a game when you get sick. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
48. Sure we can... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I think you're way overvaluing the power of blogs and forums. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. So you're worried about the Morans out there? |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. We don't need to let the media distortion of what a socialist is to work against... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. By not giving up and by organizing. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. No, but it means being smarter about how we message things. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. You are wrong. Has anybody successfully sued him? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. The standard for defamation litigation for a public figure is nigh impossible to reach. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. You don't want everyone to the left of Obama and Clinton |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Have fun running into the brickwall. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I have a nice glass of kool-aid for you..mmmmmmm |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. He speaks the truth and those who sit on their butts and tell him to be quiet |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. But if no one believes he speaks the truth, of what value is that? |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Moore is the only reason universal healthcare is being taken seriously |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. People were taking universal healthcare seriously long, long before "Sicko" |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The people were fooled into thinking politicians were interested |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Gephardt was very serious about it when he ran for President. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. So was Kerry, who had the plan that healthcare advocates |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Supine Capitulation to Right wing Media For the Win! |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Not bothering to read or understand posts before commenting for the win! |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I read it |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Your last two sentences sum it up correctly. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Thanks for clarifying |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Never mind the fact that he is right, huh? nt |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Again, perception is reality in politics. |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. You could have said the same thing about John Kerry |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. The time to defend Kerry was then, not now. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Only if you stop it there. Surrender the field. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. How do you accomplish getting the facts to people? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. By being Michael Moore, and making films that tell the truth. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. The fact is that the very word "swiftboat" means to lie |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Brilliant. Just continue to accept Repuke framing |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Did I say never challenge them? Really? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Moore doing it. That's why the MSM is swiftboating him |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. He would be today because of the swiftboating. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. OK, so Moore should never run for public office |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. We are only talking about it in such a broad forum because of him |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. We wouldn't even be discussing the pathetic state of U.S. health care if it weren't for Moore |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
74. I so love it when Democrats have each others back. nt |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
14. NOBODY should shut up. This is a national disgrace that is ruining lives and killing people. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
28. recommend |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
38. The MEDIA should shut up. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
53. Michael Moore is a true American hero, one who dares to talk about... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
60. Michael Moore is the only .... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
61. Anyone who says Michael Moore should shut up is an idiot |
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MelissaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
62. My first cousin died because of lack of health care and my brother is in deep trouble. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
63. I think we all appreciate Michael Moore's exploratory documentaries, but he is not a health care... |
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blendermax (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You don't have to be a 'professional' |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. But you do in order to find workable solutions. n/t |
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blendermax (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Are you saying that Moore has no credibility on the subject of healthcare? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. I'd say he has more experience with investigating healthcare problems than Gupta does |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I agree. Moore has researched the issue of health care policy |
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blendermax (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
64. Moore has done more good for this country |
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HootieMcBoob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. I agree n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
75. Michael Moore should never shut up, never!! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
77. I think everybody has wanted some public figure to STFU at one time or another. |
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